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Climate Concerns

The "CLIMATE CONCERNS" group is dedicated to discussion regarding the topic of the ever present and serious issue of changes to our climate due to the introduction into the atmosphere of human induced effects which prove harmful to the environment and which eventually may prove destructive to our planet. 

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Odd results of Climate Change

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 6. 38 Replies

Take an amusing quiz to learn about unexpected effects of Climate Change. After each multiple choice question, you see if you were right (and the right answer if you weren't).…Continue

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Marshall Islands' Runit Dome

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Plinius Jul 4. 1 Reply

Marshall Islands aren't just islands being drowned by rising sea level. Runit Dome is a plutonium disaster waiting to be unleashed by sea level rise.…Continue

Tags: US culpability, Marshall Islands, sea level rise, plutonium

Next Up, Super El Niño

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 3. 8 Replies

Monster El Nino…Continue

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Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on Monday

A cute video on climate change denial.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 17, 2015 at 2:10pm

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Here are the May temperature anomlies. Note that Alaska and Siberia were up to 6.1 degrees warmer than usual. I was also shocked by the big extra cold spot in Antarctica, about where it's been accumulating more snow. I haven't seen an explanation for that.

Donald I'd like to respond to

... we still need fuel for transportation, energy and heat.  We are trying to find new, more futuristic methods for doing all of that, but until we invent those new methods, we still have to maintain what we have.

According to Bloomberg New Energy Finance

The price of wind and solar power continues to plummet, and is now on par or cheaper than grid electricity in many areas of the world. Solar, the newest major source of energy in the mix, makes up less than 1 percent of the electricity market today but will be the world’s biggest single source by 2050, according to the International Energy Agency.

The question is no longer if the world will transition to cleaner energy, but how long it will take.

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I've seen other reports that say our current technology is already good enough to replace fossil fuels, if we invested in that infrastructure instead of continuing to subsidize fossil fuel.

As I see it, shutting down civilization is a real danger by the end of this century, but not from shifting to alternative energy. Fossil fuel addiction will destabilize the climate that badly.

We've been relying on fossil fuel not only for our meat, but also for mining, refining, cement, etc even to build wind turbines. It won't be easy to convert to alternative energy, it will require a massive global organized effort to replace current energy technology without collapsing the world economy. But the longer we put that off, the less likely it'll even be possible.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on May 16, 2015 at 8:22pm

Gerald, I don't think you are considering all of the consequences that would occur without oil.  You are worried about the wild life, so let's start with that.  Right now we get our beef, pork, chicken, and all the rest of our meat from the local grocery store.  That meat is brought to the store by rail and truck.  They both need oil. 

If I can't get meat from the grocery store, I'm going out in the woods, and kill the meat that you are trying to protect.

If we can't use oil for heat, we (all 5 billion of us) will have to start burning the trees you are trying to protect.

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 5:32pm

Donald, I agree with you unreservedly on the ambiguities of climate change. But on this one I'll beg to differ.

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 5:22pm

If we don't recognise the negative effects of our 'profit at any price' philosophy we wont have a civilization worth shutting down.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on May 16, 2015 at 5:14pm

Gerald, you didn't answer my question.  Are you proposing that we shut down civilization?

 

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 4:30pm

Are there any oil wells disrupting your natural local habitat Donald? You talk about the need for practical exploitation of potential oil reserves but it seems to me you have an enthusiasm for exploitation only in area's that  are outside your comfort zone. Unbelievable as it may seem the arctic is a designated nature reserve for the world community, not a jump in jump out rape of peoples heritage.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on May 16, 2015 at 4:03pm

Gerald, are you proposing that we just shut down civilization?  Whether we like it or not, we still need fuel for transportation, energy and heat.  We are trying to find new, more futuristic methods for doing all of that, but until we invent those new methods, we still have to maintain what we have.  To do that, we need to maintain a supply of oil, and to do that we have to drill more oil wells. 

I like wild life as much as you do, and living in the woods, as we are doing, we are surrounded by everything from shrews, to elk, bear, coyotes, racoons, cougars, and bobcats.

And I still like to drive my car into town, and that requires oil..

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 3:34pm

We must beware of drawing lines in the sand, for or against being a simple matter of ticking a box. A little insight is worth more than every predetermined idea ever imagined.

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 3:20pm

Do we stand by, in the name of progress, and ignore the decimation of our wildlife.!!!!!!!!!!! By what criterion do we measure progress? It's not as clear cut as it appears. Maybe we should sit back and take a long hard look.

 

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