Eco-Logical: A Group for Environmentalists

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Eco-Logical: A Group for Environmentalists

Eco-Logical is a group for anyone who cares about clean air, drinkable water, a sustainable economy, and environmental justice.

Location: The Irreplaceable Earth
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2019 Arctic Melt Drama

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Five Years Until Eocene Lock-In

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New Climate Regime

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Probability versus Risk

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Glacier Surprise

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Greenland Melt Likely to Accelerate around 2030

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Nitrous Oxide Shocker

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Pliocene Foreshadow

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Catastrophic 2 Degree Rise in 50 Years

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The Stratocumulus Tipping Point

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Our Age of Environmental Breakdown

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Shirking Tipping Point Language

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Facing Failure on the Grandest Scale Possible

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2018 Arctic Drama

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Comment by Joshua on June 19, 2009 at 1:16am
Very much so, and I agree, short of quantum physicists discovering some new strange nature of particles that might help us "cheat" and extract energy from a fairly common natural phenomenon, hydrogen is the way to go. I am really truly skeptical about some of the claims being made, but I am not so skeptical that I am not willing to try them out for myself especially if it frees us from carbon fuels... (call me a romantic, but I just think thermodynamics is too formidable a force and we too juvenile in our understanding at this point).

-Joshua
Comment by vandrerol on June 19, 2009 at 12:27am
Your comment doesn't seem ass-like at all, Joshua.

Clean Energy just refers to energy production which has a minimal environmental impact. Solar, wind, water, and depending on your views on the issue, even nuclear are clean alternatives. Nuclear leaves lots of nasties but they sort of containable. The US just dumps theirs in Mexico :)

You are probably thinking on clean 'Energy Vectors'. Gasoline is the most common EV. Think of it as a way of transporting energy. We use energy to change oil into gasoline, which is like a portable energy source. The ultimate energy vector would be hydrogen, it's waste products would be oxygen and water. Unfortunately, there's still some problems we need to deal with before making the jump to H (imagine changing every engine, every gas station, every gas tank) . Ethanol and methanol are good intermediate steps, as they can use the same infrastructure gasoline does, but they are still a bit dirty.

In the long run (I don't think less than 30 years), however, H is the only way to go. We don't even need to burn it. Fuel Cell technology is good enough to move cars as of now. Google it up, it's like magic, it just produces electricity by chemically separating the protons and electrons of H; very cool stuff (so it's not magic, it's science). Oh, yeah. Hydrogen can be produced by simple electrolysis. Using electric current (from wind, solar, hamsters running in a wheel) to separate water into H and O2. Fuel cells just reverse it. It's not efficient (and never will be) but we're working on it.
Loooong comment. Hope it was useful.
Comment by Joshua on June 18, 2009 at 11:24pm
What exactly do you mean by clean energy? Sorry, I just feel like an ass today... I agree that biofuels are a much better alternative to gasoline, but they are far from clean... As of right now, I know everyone is talking about the possibility of using bacteria or yeast someday to create ethanol, but right now, the most popular method seems to be enzymatic pyrolysis... far from clean... anyway, just had to make that point. It is an improvement... When will we be able to invent some kind of heat resistant transformer coil that will allow us to turn truly clean wind and solar into high enough levels of heat radiation to replace the modern technology of burning things??? Not only is it pollutant and wasteful, but it just seems barbaric. IMnsHO...
Comment by It's just Matt on June 8, 2009 at 11:36pm
Just finished watching home. Saying that I am deeply moved and even more deeply depressed does not do that effort justice.
I will have to sleep on it and write a more detailed debriefing of my emotions and needed actions.

One thing is for sure, every human on earth would benefit from seeing it.
Comment by It's just Matt on May 20, 2009 at 9:39am
What also amazes me is that Mr.Vujicic is extremely religious and thanks this god of his...I don't know to cry or scream about it.

Still, I thank you for posting the video Dallas, still motivational even if he is delusional.
Comment by MAGNA on May 9, 2009 at 12:04pm
SAVE THE PLANKTON - KILL A WHALE !!!!
ON SECOND THOUGHT -
SCREW THE PLANKTON -
LET THEM ALL EAT CAKE !!!!
Comment by George on April 12, 2009 at 1:38am
Earthday Event: Earthstock at Stony Brook University

Earthstock 2009
is free & open to the public. Environmental organizations, participants with an earth-friendly message, and local schools will celebrate the cross-campus event on the Academic Mall, Friday, April 17, starting at 10:00 a.m.

Earthstock - It's Woodstock For Smart People Who Care About More Th...
Comment by Tao Jones on March 30, 2009 at 12:25am
I like to think there's a difference between being "doom and gloom" and wearing a "tinfoil hat."

Personally, I don't see how an economy based on continuous growth can ever not continually consume. It's like inflating a blowup doll inside an iron maiden.

Human population levels continue to skyrocket while we're going through the worst period of mass extinctions since the dinosaurs. Our expansion is rather rapidly turning the global biosphere into a global homosphere. Is it really that far fetched that one day it will just be us and our food?

A reading of Genesis will clearly show that religion is at least partially what is enabling this self-destructive behaviour. "Go forth and multiply" it says, and so we have. Religion is how we can have nutcases like Rep. John Shimkus who basically says global warming can't be true because God says in the Bible the earth won't be destroyed by a flood. Since God doesn't lie, global warming obviously isn't a problem. See for yourself:

 

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