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Male Movie Critics Pan Female-Centric Plots

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Abuser Tactics in National Politics

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Career vs Babies from The Onion

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"Hi!" as assertion of dominance

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I Used a Hanger (Daily Kos)

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Climate Change Hits Women Hardest

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A Gentlemen's Guide to Rape Culture

Started by Merelen. Last reply by Sergeant Schultz Feb 29. 24 Replies

Sexism requires dehumanising women

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Feb 6. 6 Replies

Fear and contempt against us

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Gender Ratio Danger

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Plinius Jan 29. 5 Replies

Think twice about marrying a police officer

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Plinius Nov 6, 2015. 6 Replies

Separate and unequal laws for pregnant women

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Oct 9, 2015. 0 Replies

Traumatic Brain Injury common among abused women

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Manspreading

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Men not empathic partners

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Comment by SecretWombat on February 28, 2011 at 3:42am
My apologies. It was me who fed the troll this time around. Damn the trolls and their weak and easily disprovable arguments! I take it there's no way to get anyone promoted to moderator within the group?

I know a few people over the last couple of years who left this group because of constant trolling here. It's not a new phenomenon. Maybe you're right and a new group is the best solution, provided the new group can be moderated to the standard we need.
Comment by sehkmet on February 28, 2011 at 3:33am
Sandy, I've been on the boards and the strategy of calling out and ignoring trolls doesn't seem to be working too well.  According to the article in the thread about trolling, ignoring trolls doesn't seem to work.  Groups don't seem able to maintain the discipline it takes to ignore trolls.  A troll's main purpose is to goad someone into responding.  Given any group there is always someone who is easily baited into an argument.  Then the troll does what ever is necessary to inflame and enlarge the dispute.  We really need a moderator to put a lid on this.
Comment by SecretWombat on February 27, 2011 at 11:39pm
I agree with Sandy. Forming another group only for feminist and feminist allies is problematic. Some people self-identify as feminists even when they're not feminist by anyone else's standards. Unless you make it secret and invite-only the trolls would just follow us.
Comment by Sandy on February 27, 2011 at 11:15pm

Before we go down that route, let's just try getting some discussions going and ignoring the fucker if he tries to derail them. Or, for that matter, if anyone tries to derail they should be called out straight away or ignored. And if we see anyone getting sucked in to debating dead ends, we should call their attention to it.

There has to be an alternative to starting a new group just because one poster wants to wind people up. I don't know exactly what goes on in a Troll's head, but I imagine getting a whole group to migrate earns BIG POINTS. I, for one, don't want to give him the satisfaction.

Comment by TNT666 on February 27, 2011 at 11:03pm
I have been unsuccessful at contacting administrators in past months. I also think it would be worth starting a new group, one clearly saying in its intro that is a group for feminists and that non feminists (male or female) are not welcome. Because if Sarah Palin wanted to join, I'd say no!
Comment by sehkmet on February 27, 2011 at 10:43pm

Let us not discuss the trolls and their supporters further.  Sandy is right, they've taken up too much of our time.

Moving on.  Does any one know how to contact an administrator for Atheist Nexus?  I've written to Report an Issue and not received an answer.  I don't know what else to do. Maybe if others write?

I think it would be the height of unfairness to have to start another feminist atheist group.

Comment by Joseph P on February 27, 2011 at 10:41pm

If any of the rest of you had any opinions on the subject, then why was Oryx the only one talking?  He could have used someone to support him, because he was arguing like an idiot.

 

I quite agree with the baseline argument, that rape is an under-prosecuted crime, and something should be done about it.  You just don't make that argument with cooked numbers, followed up by blatant misrepresentations of the numbers ... then followed on the end with personal attacks and appeals to blind emotion, like a theist, when you're called on it.

 

We're supposed to be atheists and skeptics, and we're supposed to be better than that.  That's why I sided with Bruce.  If you'll look at the threads, I backed him up only on his challenges and presentation of statistics, since that's when I agreed with him ... and so should many of you who are capable of analyzing an ally's argument and not just marching in lockstep with them.

 

And no, TNT, you've got it kind of backwards.  The open forum is for presenting a unified front.  The focused forum is where you squabble out the details.

Comment by TNT666 on February 27, 2011 at 10:23pm
anti-feminists are like AGW denialists, yes they can fill forums with bogus references and links, anyone can do that. It is one thing to have debates on the very validity of feminism, but that belongs in an open forum, not in the one group which was set aside for feminists. Sandy, I partially agree, we presently have one troll and one troll supporter.
Comment by Sandy on February 27, 2011 at 9:37pm

Looks to me like the Troll (I think there's only one) is winning. I bet he's feeling pleased as punch now he's got us all talking about him and arguing amongst ourselves.

Comment by SecretWombat on February 27, 2011 at 9:06pm
Pamela: When people who represent the patriarchal hegemony overwhelm the conversation, telling women how they should be arguing and determining the topics of conversation, then it marginalises women's views in the one place where their opinions should be paramount.

It would be a nice world if the only power people had was that which we gave them. Unfortunately it simply is not the case. Conversations here create the power structures. When men dominate the conversations they dominate the group.

Some men are great allies of feminism. The difference between them and those that seek to control, derail and overwhelm the conversation is that the feminist-ally men are primarily here to listen, not to lecture.
 

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