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Gender Equality Hit List Next

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Feminazi's are not feminists.

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TV : Dumb Down, with a side of sexual assault

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Misogynist A**holes in Ascendancy

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A Gentlemen's Guide to Rape Culture

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Think twice about marrying a police officer

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Men together make extreme choices

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Trolling against women and African-Americans = right wing "skills"

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Get evicted for calling 911

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Male Movie Critics Pan Female-Centric Plots

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Abuser Tactics in National Politics

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Career vs Babies from The Onion

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Oklahoma to outlaw abortion, hoping to overturn Roe v. Wade

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"Hi!" as assertion of dominance

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Comment by TNT666 on March 1, 2011 at 5:46pm
A feminist with no feminist ideals is like an atheist with no atheist ideals, moot.
Comment by Rob van Senten on March 1, 2011 at 5:32pm

@Pamela, 

 

Oh yes, she did. Isn't it wonderful how people with the same goals but a different perspective can come together like this? 

Comment by Pamela on March 1, 2011 at 3:47pm
That is what you just don't get in your little male-privileged world.

ROFL  Ouch....my sides hurt.  Did you REALLY just say that??  

Let's not forget that MEN CAN BE FEMINISTS.  And we shouldn't trash someone simply because he had the "misfortune" *grin* to be born with a penis. 

At this rate you ladies should probably start a new group for yourselves called "Man-hatin' Atheists".


Comment by sehkmet on March 1, 2011 at 2:32pm
Sandy, the title is Feminist Atheists.  Feminist first.
Comment by Sandy on March 1, 2011 at 2:11pm

We’ve got two guys posting stuff that some people don’t want to hear and they feel that their space is being violated. I feel torn two ways about this. 

On the one hand, I hold freedom of speech as a primary value and I get very uncomfortable when I see people trying to silence others just because they disagree with them. 

On the other hand, I totally understand the need to create safe spaces where you can express yourself without being constantly bombarded by challenges from people who don’t have any intention of listening to you and only want to attack.

I think we have to decide what kind of forum this is. Is it a space for feminists to talk about atheism (ie. feminists only)? Or is it a space for atheists to talk about feminism (i.e. any atheist can join)?

Comment by SecretWombat on March 1, 2011 at 5:44am
He's a fucking troll. I don't care how 'rational' you think his arguments are. His comments skew data and ignore years of feminist theory, hence they are inappropriate in a feminist group. He is not a feminist and his only purpose here is to try to 'disprove' feminism. He is a troll and quite frankly I'm starting to think you are too. Both of you are more interested in pissing off feminists rather than listening to them or supporting them.

The fact that AN doesn't allow god-botherers is in its sign up details. Look 'em up. Theists are not welcome. Similarly non-feminists are not welcome in a feminist group. Whoever created the group may not have created a ToS but the feminists in recent comments and threads have been pretty fucking clear about this. The fact that you obviously don't care what women think shoots down any 'feminist' cred you may think you have.

I'll be utterly frank here because you're pissing me off as much as Bruce now. I don't care what you think. You are not a woman hence feminism is simply an abstract concept for you to wank off over. You are not a primary stakeholder in feminism. Your opinion means pretty much nothing. Right now you're contributing NOTHING to the feminist group, just whining to try to prove you're right.

I haven't done more thinking about feminist issues because of Bruce OR you. I already think about feminism every day because it's part of my fucking life. That is what you just don't get in your little male-privileged world. All that's happened over the last few days is that I've worn a nice little patch on my desk from hitting my head against it, staggered at some people's utter bloody cluelessness.
Comment by Joseph P on February 28, 2011 at 11:35pm
  • The confusion comes from the fact that people like Bruce think they can come to a feminist group and engage in an anti-feminist manner. That's called trolling.

Not necessarily.  He's making rational arguments.  I haven't seen him engage in personal attacks.  He's been far more civil than many feminist members of the group.

 

  • Atheist Nexus doesn't allow god-botherers ...

Is that from Pratchett?

 

  • ... to join for the good reason that it's a place for atheists to discuss atheist issues without having to constantly justify themselves to outsiders.

Well, show me the ToS of the Feminist Atheists group.  Until we have that, it's open to interpretation.  *shrug*

 

  • Bruce is simply not on the same page as any feminist here so unless he is here purely for trolling there is little point to his continuing to post here.

I view it through another lens.  The group was nearly dead, before he showed up.  Tell me you haven't done more thinking about feminist issues, in the past week, than you have for the previous couple of weeks.

Comment by SecretWombat on February 28, 2011 at 11:16pm

The confusion comes from the fact that people like Bruce think they can come to a feminist group and engage in an anti-feminist manner. That's called trolling.

 

Atheist Nexus doesn't allow god-botherers to join for the good reason that it's a place for atheists to discuss atheist issues without having to constantly justify themselves to outsiders. Similarly a feminist group within Atheist Nexus should be for feminists to discuss feminist issues without outsiders constantly attacking them and the very concept of feminism.

 

Bruce has identified himself as an equalist rather than a feminist. Maybe the equalists should form an equalist group where they can get together and discuss the post-patriarchal, post-race world they all believe we are living in. Bruce is simply not on the same page as any feminist here so unless he is here purely for trolling there is little point to his continuing to post here.

Comment by Joseph P on February 28, 2011 at 10:55pm

I'm not defining anything, just offering an opinion on that and the general source of confusion.

 

And I've heard a lot of twisted definitions of things that you would think are far simpler than feminism.  Without a working definition set within a group, you're subject to a great deal of interpretation, not the least of which is whether this is a group for just feminists or a group to talk about feminism.  So many hairs to split; so little time.

 

That aside, I don't agree with a lot of Bruce's views, but when he's got a point, he's got a point.  The whole thing started because Asharu's argument in the one thread is ... flawed.  When I think Bruce has a valid point, I support him in that.  When I think he's full of it or is taking something too far ... I don't.

 

Just like when theists talk about Isaac Newton, trying to lay claim to science and mathematics, because he happened to be religious.  Yes, Newton believed in a lot of silly shit, in addition to his brilliant contributions to science and reason.  You have to differentiate between the message and the messenger.

Comment by SecretWombat on February 28, 2011 at 10:34pm

It's not up to men to define what is or isn't patriarchal. Just like it's not up to white people to define what is or isn't racist. As women the topics discussed here aren't some abstract concept. We live through feminist issues each day, with these issues impacting us directly, and so we're capable of recognising patriarchy when we see it.

 

I honestly cannot think of any bizarro-land definition of feminism that would define Bruce's opinions as feminist.

 

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