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Feminazi's are not feminists.

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TV : Dumb Down, with a side of sexual assault

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Misogynist A**holes in Ascendancy

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A Gentlemen's Guide to Rape Culture

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Think twice about marrying a police officer

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Men together make extreme choices

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Trolling against women and African-Americans = right wing "skills"

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Aug 27, 2016. 2 Replies

Get evicted for calling 911

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Male Movie Critics Pan Female-Centric Plots

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Abuser Tactics in National Politics

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Career vs Babies from The Onion

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Oklahoma to outlaw abortion, hoping to overturn Roe v. Wade

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"Hi!" as assertion of dominance

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I Used a Hanger (Daily Kos)

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Climate Change Hits Women Hardest

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Mar 22, 2016. 0 Replies

Routine kidnapping, forced conversion and forced marriage in Pakistan

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 19, 2016. 1 Reply

Sexism requires dehumanising women

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Fear and contempt against us

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Comment by SecretWombat on March 1, 2011 at 5:44am
He's a fucking troll. I don't care how 'rational' you think his arguments are. His comments skew data and ignore years of feminist theory, hence they are inappropriate in a feminist group. He is not a feminist and his only purpose here is to try to 'disprove' feminism. He is a troll and quite frankly I'm starting to think you are too. Both of you are more interested in pissing off feminists rather than listening to them or supporting them.

The fact that AN doesn't allow god-botherers is in its sign up details. Look 'em up. Theists are not welcome. Similarly non-feminists are not welcome in a feminist group. Whoever created the group may not have created a ToS but the feminists in recent comments and threads have been pretty fucking clear about this. The fact that you obviously don't care what women think shoots down any 'feminist' cred you may think you have.

I'll be utterly frank here because you're pissing me off as much as Bruce now. I don't care what you think. You are not a woman hence feminism is simply an abstract concept for you to wank off over. You are not a primary stakeholder in feminism. Your opinion means pretty much nothing. Right now you're contributing NOTHING to the feminist group, just whining to try to prove you're right.

I haven't done more thinking about feminist issues because of Bruce OR you. I already think about feminism every day because it's part of my fucking life. That is what you just don't get in your little male-privileged world. All that's happened over the last few days is that I've worn a nice little patch on my desk from hitting my head against it, staggered at some people's utter bloody cluelessness.
Comment by Joseph P on February 28, 2011 at 11:35pm
  • The confusion comes from the fact that people like Bruce think they can come to a feminist group and engage in an anti-feminist manner. That's called trolling.

Not necessarily.  He's making rational arguments.  I haven't seen him engage in personal attacks.  He's been far more civil than many feminist members of the group.

 

  • Atheist Nexus doesn't allow god-botherers ...

Is that from Pratchett?

 

  • ... to join for the good reason that it's a place for atheists to discuss atheist issues without having to constantly justify themselves to outsiders.

Well, show me the ToS of the Feminist Atheists group.  Until we have that, it's open to interpretation.  *shrug*

 

  • Bruce is simply not on the same page as any feminist here so unless he is here purely for trolling there is little point to his continuing to post here.

I view it through another lens.  The group was nearly dead, before he showed up.  Tell me you haven't done more thinking about feminist issues, in the past week, than you have for the previous couple of weeks.

Comment by SecretWombat on February 28, 2011 at 11:16pm

The confusion comes from the fact that people like Bruce think they can come to a feminist group and engage in an anti-feminist manner. That's called trolling.

 

Atheist Nexus doesn't allow god-botherers to join for the good reason that it's a place for atheists to discuss atheist issues without having to constantly justify themselves to outsiders. Similarly a feminist group within Atheist Nexus should be for feminists to discuss feminist issues without outsiders constantly attacking them and the very concept of feminism.

 

Bruce has identified himself as an equalist rather than a feminist. Maybe the equalists should form an equalist group where they can get together and discuss the post-patriarchal, post-race world they all believe we are living in. Bruce is simply not on the same page as any feminist here so unless he is here purely for trolling there is little point to his continuing to post here.

Comment by Joseph P on February 28, 2011 at 10:55pm

I'm not defining anything, just offering an opinion on that and the general source of confusion.

 

And I've heard a lot of twisted definitions of things that you would think are far simpler than feminism.  Without a working definition set within a group, you're subject to a great deal of interpretation, not the least of which is whether this is a group for just feminists or a group to talk about feminism.  So many hairs to split; so little time.

 

That aside, I don't agree with a lot of Bruce's views, but when he's got a point, he's got a point.  The whole thing started because Asharu's argument in the one thread is ... flawed.  When I think Bruce has a valid point, I support him in that.  When I think he's full of it or is taking something too far ... I don't.

 

Just like when theists talk about Isaac Newton, trying to lay claim to science and mathematics, because he happened to be religious.  Yes, Newton believed in a lot of silly shit, in addition to his brilliant contributions to science and reason.  You have to differentiate between the message and the messenger.

Comment by SecretWombat on February 28, 2011 at 10:34pm

It's not up to men to define what is or isn't patriarchal. Just like it's not up to white people to define what is or isn't racist. As women the topics discussed here aren't some abstract concept. We live through feminist issues each day, with these issues impacting us directly, and so we're capable of recognising patriarchy when we see it.

 

I honestly cannot think of any bizarro-land definition of feminism that would define Bruce's opinions as feminist.

Comment by Joseph P on February 28, 2011 at 9:32pm

I didn't mean Oryx was in the newest thread, just the debate in general, which has the activity here higher than it has been for months.

 

I don't really see Bruce as being patriarchal.  What's he's pushing is termed 4th wave Feminism, by some.  I don't particularly buy that, but it introduces a level of confusion when you're trying to define what a group is about.  If you don't specify to the point of being ridiculous, it allows for his worldview as well.  We're running into big-tent issues there, again.

Comment by SecretWombat on February 28, 2011 at 6:59pm

I have and I did in the latest discussion thread, Joseph. At the time of my last posts Oryx hadn't joined that debate.

 

The question remains as to why we have to argue with non-feminists here at all. Atheist Nexus won't allow god-botherers to join because the purpose of the site if for atheists to discuss atheist issues. Similarly one would expect a feminist group to be for feminists to discuss feminist issues. If I want piles of irritating patriarchal garbage I have the rest of the Internet and the analogue world for that.

Comment by Joseph P on February 28, 2011 at 4:46pm

@EvilWombatQueen

  • Damn the trolls and their weak and easily disprovable arguments!

Then make the arguments and disprove him.  Oryx was the only one fighting back, and he sucks at it.  Don't hide behind admin controls.  Just beat him, if it's so easily done.

Comment by TNT666 on February 28, 2011 at 11:53am
Pamela, pay attention.... two guys were trolling, then one guy said he wasn't, then I said 1 troll and 1 troll supporter. According to your history you joined in September 09 and you've posted a grand total of ONCE to the group. The only way you could think I was talking about you... is if tend to think that generally. I'm sorry you had a shitty experience with men. It's one of the reasons we ought to be free to talk amongst ourselves without being harassed by mythers who think feminism ought not to be.
Comment by Pamela on February 28, 2011 at 8:19am

TNT666,

Have I been promoted to "troll suppporter" or are you accusing someone else? 

And really how can someone have power over you in an online forum??!!  Are we women SO fucking defenseless we need protection from WORDS now??  Sorry, I'm just NOT that much of a victim.  I've been raped twice and had a guy try to kill me once, not to mention countless beatings over my life.  I'll be damned if I'm going to whine over some guy in a fucking forum having power over me by TALKING.  You girls have fun, I'm going to go find some adult women to chat with.

 

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