Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)


Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, based in Madison, Wis., is a national association of freethinkers (atheists, agnostics) that has been working since 1978 to keep church and state separate.

Location: Madison
Members: 703
Latest Activity: Dec 26, 2017

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Annie Laurie Gaylor Addresses NOFS "Freethought Fiesta"

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Nov 22, 2016. 6 Replies

This past April, the Northern Ohio Freethought Society sponsored a "Freethought Fiesta," which among other things featured some terrific Mexican cooking for attendees and a talk by Freedom From…Continue

Tags: Annie Laurie Gaylor, Northern Ohio Freethought Society, Freedom From Religion Foundation

Human soul

Started by Lemual Poot. Last reply by tom sarbeck Nov 3, 2016. 55 Replies

I've heard many so called atheists refer to the "soul" as if it actually existed.  My question is:  If you believe humans have a soul are you really an atheist? Continue

Be it enacted by citizens of United States of America, three citizens be designated as true patriots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Lemual Poot Jun 6, 2015. 6 Replies

Whereas, Olivia McConnell, Eight-year-old, wrote her South Carolina state representatives; and Whereas, Olivia provided a legitimate reason to suggest this legislation:1. One of the first discoveries…Continue

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Comment by sk8eycat on January 15, 2012 at 7:34pm

I don't think so, but a rather liberal church in Pasadena was in danger of losing it a few years ago.  I don't remember the exact circumstances, but the minister had said something, either about a particular candidate or ballot initiative during a service, and the fit hit the shan. 

He may have spoken against the shameful Proposition 8 that all the other churches were supporting (at least 50% of the campaign funds came from Mormon PACs)...the initiative that disallowed same-sex marriage in California.  Anyway, somebody ratted to the IRS, and there was an investigation, but I don't think anything came of it, or I would have heard.

I think.

Comment by David W on January 15, 2012 at 3:29pm

I wonder if any church has ever had their tax exempt status revoked for such a thing.

Comment by sk8eycat on January 15, 2012 at 3:12pm


Contact the FFRF office in Madison first thing Monday morning.  Or email them now.  Give them the name and address of the church (a photo would help...), and let them handle it from there.  Sometimes all it takes is a letter to the church asking them to remove the sign or face the consequences.  They are in direct violation not only of the constitution, but of IRS regs.  *snicker!*  *cackle!* 

I worked as a bookkeeper/tax preparer for more than 40 years, and have never been terribly fond of the IRS, but when somebody deserves their "attentions," especially outfits that get way too many tax breaks at our expense, I have to laugh.

I doubt very much that anyone in the FFRF office is a Walker supporter...  ;>)

Comment by Lisa Cox on January 15, 2012 at 1:10pm
That is a direct violation of the separation of church and state. That church should remove the political endorsement from their property or get their tax exempt status revoked.
Comment by Jason Fleming on January 15, 2012 at 1:02pm

If the sign is on the church's land, then they need to be reported. They are in direct violation and stand to lose their tax-exempt status. 

Comment by ParrotPirate on January 15, 2012 at 12:45pm

Just joined Atheist Nexus and this group. I did this for a specific purpose. Is there a group member near Greenfield? I was there for work yesterday, and I am almost positive I saw a sign stating the availability of "Stand With Walker" yard signs in front of the Seventh Day Adventist church on Loomis Road. This seems illegal, and was wondering if anybody in the area could check it out, as I won't be back tht way until next Friday at the earliest. Thanks!

Comment by James M. Martin on January 14, 2012 at 8:57am

@John Burtonclay: In Texas we called this the "homosexual panic defense" and the defense lawyers shamefully hire junk science "experts" (expert at picking lint out of their navels) to testify that the miscreat was victim to the dead queer, not the other way around.  Typical of these was a county coroner who could not have qualified in civil trial practice on any field unrelated to his own (forensic pathology) but stated: "These homosexuals do not have stable relationships and go out looking for what they call 'rough trade,' and then the guy they pick up experiences temporary insanity because of the simultaneous feelings of attraction and repulsion."  Then they go into a litany of the usual stereotypes and conclude that "homosexuality is abnormal, a mental illness," &.  The jury might question some of it but for a cold blooded murder they almost always come back voting for a lesser included offense, usually manslaughter.  Thus, for a crime that would get the average murderer life at best, the murderer of a homosexual gets 30 years max.  If the parole board is similarly homophobic, the con gets out after serving many years less than sentenced.  Hey, it's either let 'en out or build more prisons.

Comment by AgeOfAtheists14 on January 14, 2012 at 8:01am

Keep it free from cults folks! Kids don't need anymore division-influence-bigotry phobia... streets are hard enough:

Comment by John Burtonclay on January 14, 2012 at 12:18am

 A fair go for everyone in Queensland, Australia. A man was charged and tried for murder. I can't find the details just now, but his defence was that the victim was a homosexual, who had tapped him on the shoulder, so he killed him. It was stated that the advances of a homosexual is much worse than murder.  It turns out that Queensland law provides for this defence, so I think the murderer got off light. Just a token sentence. Of course the gay lobby and human rights people are up in arms over this, but they'll have a tough time getting anything done about it. Queensland is a redneck state, run largely by good christians. The Premier, Anna Bligh is ok, and agrees with gay marriage, which is on the agenda at the moment. I've read some of what the christian politicians have said. (The usual bible quotes, christian values etc.) It looks like the the proposed legislation has about the same chance as a fart in a thunderstorm.

Comment by James M. Martin on January 13, 2012 at 6:45pm

sk8eycat, seniors here pay almost no property taxes on their homestead (legal term), however, I do have to pay one of the county taxes: the hospital district.  When I went before the board of adjusters a few years ago and applied for my exemption I was told, "You'll have to pay the hospital district tax."  I turned back and replied: "I will be more than happy to."  I have leukemia and it is in my best interest to help them out.  It's only about $30 a year.


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