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Comment by Joan Denoo on March 7, 2014 at 3:12pm

Pat, well, at least we talked about crepes.

i am not surprised about the reputation of Timothy being so wild. My Irish ancestors who came to Missouri and Oklahoma had much the same story. We have to remember that the English took ownership of the Irish land from the Irish farmers, then exported all the grains to places to sell for profit. The English made fortunes while the farmers had just enough to eat and very poor housing. They had no control over pricing and so worked hard all year for barely enough to survive. If Irish farmers were caught eating any of the grain they grew, they were hung on the spot. The English were colonialists in the worst sense of the word. 
When potatoes arrived from S. America, they were well suited for the Irish growing conditions, the crops thrived, the farmers' families ate potatoes to supplement their diets and the English didn't want spuds. Then, the blight wiped out their crops of potatoes, people starved to death, about a third of the Irish population. About a third immigrated to U.S., Australia, and many other countries in the 1840s. A political famine, not a natural disaster!!!!

A Death-Dealing Famine: The Great Hunger in Ireland Paperback

Once in the U.S. the southern Irish  farmers were dirt poor, hardly able to feed their families. During the U.S. Civil War, they were promised pay for joining the Confederate Army. Many left large families to fend for themselves and when the north won the war, many of their farms were sacked, leaving them destitute. These men and women were angry, hated authority, became bank robbers and horse thieves, thinking they were owed something for their efforts.

Out of that mess, my ancestors settled in Ft. Smith, Oklahoma. One ancestor married a Cherokee "princess". Didn't everybody marry Indian princesses? The reason was the Indian women owned the property of the clan and the men serviced the hearthstone. Women were not chiefs, but only women picked the chiefs and had the authority to impeach a leader who did not make decisions in the interests of the hearthstone. Only women could be judges. Only men could be chiefs. 

trail of tears pictures

Anyway, the Confederate soldiers married Cherokee princesses and gained control of the goods of the clan, such as they were by this time. My great-grandmother was a Cherokee and she had power in her relationship to her husband out of strength of character. She refused to raise her children with the bank robbers and horse thieves. My great-grandfather had a job with the railroad in Oklahoma, and had a chance to move to Tekoa, Washington, rumored to have streets of gold. The gold turned out to be wheat. 

Ah! we are back on topic ... food! 

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 7, 2014 at 2:22pm

Reg, yes Cooks illustrated and America's Test Kitchen are affiliated.  Thanks for the dubious results comment.

I'm sorry to be late in responding, but in the last month, my Internet Service Provider had been disconnecting me often and often been incredibly slow when connected. :(

Comment by Pat on March 7, 2014 at 12:30pm

Joan, I didn't know anything about his wife, other than she was my paternal great-grandmother, who was an Irish immigrant (as was Timothy's family, who came over during the Potato Famine). Her daughter, my paternal grandmother, died before I was born. However, my father told me about it, and later in life I researched it extensively. Dad, by the way, was no big fan of his grandfather Timothy, whom he described as a violent drunk. The train wreck drew world wide attention, as I have found articles about it in the The Times of London. One New York paper had a caricature of him as a skeleton dressed as a conductor, holding a lantern on a flaming bridge, signalling the train to keep coming, and entitled "The Trusty Watchman."

Have an even better story about my maternal grandmother (the one who made me crepes) if you ever interested. Though, I should apologize to Daniel for derailing the topic here, which is food.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 7, 2014 at 11:53am

Pat, what an interesting history. Do you know anything about his wife and children and descendants? Did the story come down verbally? Oh, can you imagine on a cold winter's night when the winds were blowing snow through the cracks and rattling the roof, sitting around a fire with a bit of liquid spirits and retelling that story to the little ones?  

Comment by Pat on March 7, 2014 at 6:31am

Joan, Timothy Coughlin spent a year in jail awaiting trial on 89 counts of first degree murder for causing the accident. At the time, there appeared to be a rope with a noose in his future. However, he was ultimately cleared of the charges, when it was discovered that 2 of his crew on the railroad had perjured themselves when he was indicted.  The 2 conveniently relocated to a healthier climate by the time he was released. Probably a good idea. He was a Union veteran of Sherman's March to the Sea and had he ever found them, I believe their life expectancy would have been greatly shortened.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 6, 2014 at 10:51pm

Carl, I was wondering too, "what does one have to do to be thrown out of Canada?" 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 6, 2014 at 10:51pm

Carl, I was wondering too, "what does one have to do to be thrown out of Canada?" 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 6, 2014 at 8:14pm

Pat, your stories delight me. I like the crepe story; did you fill the crepes with fruits and cottage cheese or with left over meat with gravy? Those delicious ways of fixing them make my mouth water. 

There must be some interesting stories about the migration from France to Canada and Maine, and then the journey to points south.Did any family member keep diaries that you know of?

Do you know what happened to your great-grandfather, Timothy Coughlin, after the fire. The article doesn't say and I found no other Timothy Coughlin that fits his time frame.  

The Cajon chef was fun to watch and listen to. He explained his family history but I still can't fathom how Cajun came out Acadian. Pronounced 'uh KAI dee ehn'

I Garontee! 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 6, 2014 at 7:40pm

I found this Googling "Farmer John Cheese:

Wisconsin Cheese Curd Bloody Mary

Cheese curds 

Cheese curd

Vegan Rella Natural Cheese Alternative – Cheddar Style

I have no idea what Rella is but googled "Rella cheese" and this is what I came up with. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 6, 2014 at 7:05pm

Reg MM, I think you may be referring to Lidia Bastianich.

She has a Italian cuisine show on PBS.  She also owns a few restaurants, one of which is in downtown Kansas City that I've been to.  It was VERY good.   

 

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