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Comment by Randall Smith on June 16, 2014 at 8:09am

Felaine (and others): many of you know I offer free food out of my yard and garden, set out by the road I live on. It amazes me hardly anybody takes it. I usually have an over abundance of fruit, tomatoes  (which, theoretically, is a fruit), radishes, etc., etc.  People are either too proud or too much in a hurry to stop. Your story pains me.

Reading Joan's comment on sunflower seeds, I just read Dr. Mercola's article on the 15 foods everyone should have and be eating. One was sunflower seeds, but in sprouts. I might try that. Five of his top 15 were dairy products--eggs, yogurt, even butter. ( 

Oh, and I just ordered a goji berry plant from Home Depot! It's supposed to be a super berry. 

Comment by sk8eycat on June 16, 2014 at 1:59am

Carl, I do NOT feel you are "prying."  You are concerned, and being helpful.  And that makes me feel good.  Most of our neighbors are my age....some older...and a lot have tried to sell their homes, and can't get a decent price, so have given up. 

The few teenagers around here are rude, crude, and like to skateboard down the hill while smoking a joint the size of a cheap cigar.  I would not trust them to drive me to the morgue.  (They'd probably sell my body parts to med schools or organ-leggers instead of calling the emergency number on my Neptune Society card.)

Comment by king on June 16, 2014 at 1:01am
Speaking as a youth of today it is hard to find. One that would be willing to go out of there way to help im not proud of it but there is a reason why we are called the me generation I have done my share to help others from time to time but I'm 23 and those that are younger are getting worse and worse it makes me sick to see high school girls with one kid and another on the way and I know that the tax payers of the indiana and the US are paying them to do it Basically
Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 16, 2014 at 12:54am

I'm glad to hear you're looking into some assistance, Felaine.  I certainly don't wish to pry into your personal affairs, but I was concerned by what you posted earlier.  There has to be some way to get groceries to your doorstep.  Is there a high school neighbor kid down the street with a car that could help out?  Or perhaps someone you know connected with the animal shelter you write for?

If I was a high school kid, I think I'd enjoy helping out an outspoken, sassy and funny smart-mouth like you.  (....and I mean that endearingly.) 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 16, 2014 at 12:37am

London, WW II 

Berlin, WW II 

The Netherlands, WW II 

Paris, WW II 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 16, 2014 at 12:34am

Felaine, your story is so familiar to me from my experiences with Older Women's League. For far too many years, work and retirement plans did not provide enough input into programs that would pay out enough to live on after retirement. Many insurance companies pension plans to husbands ended when he died, leaving his widow far too often penniless. Military pensions used to not include payment to widows or divorced wives of military men. It was especially hard for a military dependent wife to work because of frequent reassignments.

I was a military wife from 1959 until I left in 1974, minus two years when my former husband left the military after his ROTC obligation tour and went into private practice. He hated it and liked the regimentation of the army. So, we went back on the road. Never had an assignment in one place for more than two years. Living on bases and in towns and a strong encouragement for wives to stay at home with the kids only added to the difficulty of building a work history.

My story is not at all unusual. As we military wives used to say, "We are legion!"  

Another part of your story that is so common for women is the 35 years of stagnant wages that hit women especially hard. The cost of living for women tend to be higher because of the cultural traditions of higher cost of clothing, haircuts, health insurance or lack of, and fewer opportunities for loans. I could not get a loan without a husband, father or adult son 40 years ago. 

The common response, especially for women living alone, is to make up for the lack of income by maxing out credit cards. The interest rates drain all the extra money out of women's pockets into the profits of banks only too willing to give credit. Of course men have the same problems with credit card debt, but for single women, there are confounding variables that make it more difficult to survive. 

I am not reminding you of all these complications to make you feel worse, but to remember that your circumstances are all too common in our culture. Women living in the Scandinavian countries, England, Germany or France, do not have the same kinds of challenges US women face. That is because US has never had a battlefield on our land during WW I and II. Those nations were so profoundly impacted by the destruction of their infrastructure, that they saw to it that social services are designed to meet the needs of all its citizens. They paid heavily for providing those services and if anyone in this nation even whispered to have such safety nets he or she would be shouted down with "NO SOCIALISM". 

I am glad that Carl offered you suggestions, too, although I and we realize you have complications that make getting help more difficult. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 15, 2014 at 11:57pm

Spud, an excellent article about Oleo. We are getting quite a history lessen as we go back in memory to those days. I am surprised you prefer Oleo to butter, and I think your assessment about growing up on it as the reason. I am a butter person and am careful to get the kind that doesn't have the hormone rBST, even though the research results are mixed on the incident rate being higher for breast cancer in women who use products with rBST. 

"State of the Evidence on rBGH and rBST

"Despite opposition from physicians, scientists and consumer advocacy groups, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 1993 approved Monsanto's genetically engineered hormone product, recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH), for injection in dairy cows to increase milk production (Eaton, 2004).

"This hormone quickly found its way (without labeling) into the U.S. milk supply and from there into ice cream, buttermilk, cheese, yogurt and other dairy products. Since its introduction, rBGH (subsequently renamed recombinant bovine somatotrophin, rBST) has proven controversial because of its potentially carcinogenic effects."


"Elevated levels of IGF-1, in particular, have been associated with increased risk of breast cancer (Hankinson, 1998). Proponents of rBST argue that IGF-1 is harmless because it occurs naturally in humans, is contained in human saliva and is broken down during digestion. However, animal evidence indicates that digestion does not break down IGF-1 in milk because casein, the principal protein in cow’s milk, protects IGF-1 from the action of digestive enzymes (Xian, 1995)."

Comment by sk8eycat on June 15, 2014 at 11:51pm

I'm signed up with BTAC (Burbank Temporary Aid Center) ...I can get free groceries that suit MY needs once a month.  The problem is lack of transportation, and somebody to help me get the stuff from the curb into the house. 

I tried the County Food Bank a few years ago, and all I got from them was inedible crap (corn flakes, white rice, powdered skim milk, and fruit juice loaded with HFCS), and I had to go to the Starvation Army to pick the garbage up...and get handed their xian propaganda when I walked into the place.  I stopped going.

Meals on Wheels is the best bet...I used to get that for Mother when I was going to be out of town for a few weeks...FRESH food, still warm when they brought it to the door!  Amazing!

I'm also getting some help with financial re-arrangements...I maxed out my only credit card in '09, paying what Medicareless didn't on my own hospital bill (my surgeon wrote off the $800 I couldn't finish paying him...if I'd known how much it was all going to cost, I might have called the whole thing off, but 20 years of constant sciatica pain were just too fecking much.). That same summer our only cat went into very rapid kidney failure, spent 3 days at the vet, and then had to be euthanized.  I almost have that completely paid off, and now I'm paying another $1000 to Burbank W&P for an invisible water leak that we just had a generous volunteer.  BWP is MUCH more helpful and understanding than Wells Phart-Go. 

As soon as I get them paid off, I'm switching my account to a smaller, more personal bank that I lucked into recently.  "A place where everybody knows your name..."  Not quite a credit union, but close....close.

I did NOT ever intend to live this long, but my DNA is set for longevity.  One aunt lived to be 100, another to 91...Dad made it to 82 with horrendous diabetic complications (gangrene, vein grafts in both legs...and a stent in his descending aorta), and Mother lived past 87, after cancer, radiation, chemo, and von Willibrandt's disease. 

I will be 75  this fall.  Sux.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 15, 2014 at 8:06pm

Felaine, it pains me to hear you speak about your lack of food.  Seriously, you should look into Meals on Wheels, finding a food pantry or some kind of agency along those lines that can offer assistance.  Those organizations are there specifically to help people such as yourself when times are rough.  I know you would be warmly welcomed.  The people who work and volunteer at those organizations are compassionate individuals who really care and want to help. 

I'm by no means a wealthy person, but I donate money to the Northern Illinois Food Bank.  They have a high charity score for using a large percentage of their donation money on their mission instead of on administrative costs.  I'm happy to donate because I know there are families in my area that are not as lucky as I am. 

Please take advantage of these types of services.  People gladly donate because they want to help you.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 15, 2014 at 4:28pm

Oh, you people amaze me. Fasting, losing weight, working while fasting! You two have some kind of Tough Constitutions. Hope all goes well for each of you. More food in the pantry, and less time on the throne. 


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