It is probably stupid for me to start this no-win battle, but I am really interested in everyone's opinion. My whole issue with Fuck being in the title of groups has NEVER been about free speech. I have gone way out of my way to defend variable and his stance on free speech.
My last concern I told him about was the problems people were having at work viewing this site at work. We have literally hundreds of people who log on at work and they are flagged to their employers for viewing a NSFW site.
All I asked was that the name of the group be changed and a warning be placed in the description. I told him he was free to do whatever he wanted within the groups.
George Carlin made a point to fight for freedom of speech and he won. However, he did NOT post the "7 words" on his billboards or say them during interviews. Are we supposed to say he was not truly for free speech and that he was a sellout?
Also, this is not the "public square," this is a private site.
I wrote this in an earlier post:
The issue was not about children per say, even though it was a part. My main concern is because I have been informed that we are getting some media snoops. If anyone has seen the uproar that happened with The Daily Koz you will understand where I am coming from. The last thing we need is to be accused of endorsing any of the online groups. The only group I totally supported deleting was the one called Atheist Bestiality. Should I not have done that? Maybe so, maybe not. Unfortunately, I can't only function in a idealistic perfect world. I am stuck in our real world and dealing with consequences of our freedom of speech.
Lines have to be drawn somewhere. I myself, am against censorship and I'm not overly concerned with protecting my kids from words. However, if you drive up and down my street screaming fuck out your window, rest assured I will censor your ass. It is not acceptable behavior. I cannot walk naked down the street. I chose not to fart in public, not because I am censoring myself, but because it is not the accepted etiquette.
Also, this is not a public space, so we are not talking about free speech. This is a private site and we must all follow the rules to be apart of it (I would love to get all your help developing those rules with me).
We have to remember our focus. Are we only trying to proclaim our atheism to the world, or are we trying to communicate it. You might be 100% right on an issue, but if you only want to force it down someone's throat, you are not going to be effective. Sometimes we have to lose the battle to win the war.
Also a quick note about variable (the creator of the groups in question). I spent some time chatting with him yesterday and found him to be an intelligent and passionate person. It seems that we are both dedicated to the same things. If you have not watched his YouTube videos, you should. I look forward to working with him (and you) to make this site all it can be.
I really would love to hear everyone's opinion on this. And not only through the eyes of a perfect world, but through the eyes of the real world we live in.
Thanks for all your support guys!