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Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on May 13, 2017 at 12:11am

Andrew, I think you've pinpointed a genuine dilemma here. On the one hand, people do have the right to their own beliefs, and (I guess . . . here's where the dilemma comes in) pass those beliefs to their children. At the same time, to poison young people's minds with such utterly vicious, superstitious, life-negative bullshit seems in some objective sense to be a repugnant violation of any sane values. A dilemma with goring horns and sharp teeth.

Comment by Andrew on May 12, 2017 at 11:16pm
I'm not a history scholar, but the only times I'm aware of religion being officially outlawed, it was done by repressive, totalitarian regimes, much to the detriment of religious practitioners or anyone else seen as being subversive or dissident. Banning any widely accepted way of life is usually tyrannical, including even restricting dogma that we see as harmful, regressive, and self defeating. I agree that force cannot prevail, but that hearts and minds must change. I just don't have much confidence that we'll see that anytime in the foreseeable future.
Comment by The Flying Atheist on May 12, 2017 at 9:28am

Bertold, you bring up a good point about religion and child abuse.  While society presently doesn't equate religion in its entirety as abuse, at least we are seeing legislation banning gay conversion therapy, in addition to laws already in place banning FGM.  And we're also seeing pushback against religious exemptions when it comes to vaccinations and withholding medical care.  At least some of these worst practices are being eschewed.  . 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on May 12, 2017 at 9:15am

That's a very hard question to answer, Plinius.  Parents who induct children into religion really do believe they are doing a right and moral deed.  Fundamentalists aside, even the vast majority of religious people who make up watered-down, mainstream religions think what they are doing is innocuous.

Since terminating religion cannot be legislated away, we can only rely on changing minds.  Fortunately being non-religious is the current trend, despite how excruciatingly slow it is happening.  

Comment by Grinning Cat on May 12, 2017 at 6:38am

Who was it who said:

"Religion is like a penis.

It's fine to have one. It's fine to be proud of it.

But please don't wave it around in public.

And do not try to shove it down my children's throats."

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on May 12, 2017 at 6:37am

Hopefully one day indoctrinating children into religious beliefs will be recognized as child abuse.

Comment by Plinius on May 12, 2017 at 4:45am

What do you think of the freedom of parents to shove religion down their childrens' throats? Where does that freedom end and the freedom of the child start?

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on May 10, 2017 at 8:18pm

I went to Catholic school through 8th grade, and by then I'd had more than a lifetime supply. Religious freedom is a good thing, and an important thing. But let's not forget that it means everyone's free to believe whatever bullshit they want. It doesn't mean they get to shove it down other people's throats.

Comment by Andrew on May 10, 2017 at 7:59pm
From my early childhood, I was inculcated into a fundamentalist xian church. By the time I was in my teens, I was pretty much in the full rebellion mode and totally eschewed the whole thing by adulthood. These people show their true colors when they're behind legislation to restrict the rights of others based on their own world view. How these misguided fools can claim to espouse love while harshly judging those unlike themselves is more than a paradox. It's a threat to the rest of us.
Comment by The Flying Atheist on May 9, 2017 at 6:27pm

Those arguments are akin to "I don't care if you're gay. Just don't kiss or hold hands in public or tell me you're gay.  Why do you feel the need to shove it down my throat?"  

 

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