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Daniel, I'm not familiar with the details of the Taiwan marriage ruling. You may be correct about their legislative process. Of course our ruling came via a court decision. I'm not sure what events led up to the ruling in Taiwan.
Carl, Im trying to figure out the Taiwan ruling. I get the feeling it does not legalize gay marriage immediately, but rather requires that the legislature come up with a gay marriage law within 2 years. I might be wrong, it would not surprise me. Even so the ruling us very good, and historic. Who else in Asia would do that. I dont know.
I'm sure most of you have heard this news, but I didn't want this great achievement to go unrecognized in this forum. This is a historic event for an Asian country.
Taiwan Legalizes Same-sex Marriage
Andrew, I think you've pinpointed a genuine dilemma here. On the one hand, people do have the right to their own beliefs, and (I guess . . . here's where the dilemma comes in) pass those beliefs to their children. At the same time, to poison young people's minds with such utterly vicious, superstitious, life-negative bullshit seems in some objective sense to be a repugnant violation of any sane values. A dilemma with goring horns and sharp teeth.
Bertold, you bring up a good point about religion and child abuse. While society presently doesn't equate religion in its entirety as abuse, at least we are seeing legislation banning gay conversion therapy, in addition to laws already in place banning FGM. And we're also seeing pushback against religious exemptions when it comes to vaccinations and withholding medical care. At least some of these worst practices are being eschewed. .
That's a very hard question to answer, Plinius. Parents who induct children into religion really do believe they are doing a right and moral deed. Fundamentalists aside, even the vast majority of religious people who make up watered-down, mainstream religions think what they are doing is innocuous.
Since terminating religion cannot be legislated away, we can only rely on changing minds. Fortunately being non-religious is the current trend, despite how excruciatingly slow it is happening.
Who was it who said:
"Religion is like a penis.
It's fine to have one. It's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't wave it around in public.
And do not try to shove it down my children's throats."
Hopefully one day indoctrinating children into religious beliefs will be recognized as child abuse.
What do you think of the freedom of parents to shove religion down their childrens' throats? Where does that freedom end and the freedom of the child start?
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