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During my working life I lived for long periods in many different countries and these were varied from the Middle East, Africa, Europe and the Americas. I was exposed to many religion's (none of which stuck) and early on I noted that most if not all tend to deny to their followers the ability to enjoy life. The doctrines of all dictate to their followers that they must villify any person or group who has the audacity to allow any practice which may enhance and make their life more enjoyable. All will tell you they practice love but in truth all practice hate. Human history is full of murder, torture, denial of education and Human Rights and wars all justified in some fictional Skygod's name. The scary part, I fear, is all of this will only end when one or the other loonies destroy's our world.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating: one of my favorite authorrs, Spider Robinson has said in many of his stories and novels that rage, hate, bigotry are ALL symptoms of fear. Or, as he wrote in one book, "Anger is nothing but fear in drag."
Now we have to figure out WTF these bigots are really afraid of... how can a same-sex couple's marriage in another city or state (people that they don't even know) be a threat to their well-being?
That IS how they see it, but why? I don't think they even know. They just get bat-shit crazy because a few other people live and love differently from the way they do. It makes no sense at all. Do they get freaked out because Muslim men in some countries are allowed to have as many as four wives if they want to? I don't think so. (I think women might have a problem with that...and with the ease of divorce...for men... in those cultures.)
Why should I care who my neighbor marries? I don't...as long as they are happy.
Lies, disinformation, propaganda. Christians are so evil! It's come to a point where I think Christian=liar, christian=hate, christian=bigot. Bad me. I know that's just the outspoken attention getting agenda pushers, not "real christians". Right?
Thanks for posting this sk8eycat. I just signed the petition. Let's hope it works! I was a boy scout myself.
Please check this news story out and sign the petition. I just did.:
more than 350,000 people have signed an online petition urging the leaders of Troop 212 to ignore the Scouts' anti-gay policy and award Ryan the organization's highest honor.
In addition to not meeting the group's membership standard on sexual orientation, a national spokesman for the Scouts said, Ryan also disagreed with the BSA's religious principles.
Eric Andresen objected to that portrayal.
"Ryan has never said anything about being atheist to anyone, because he's not," his father wrote. "Ryan has labeled himself as agnostic and continues to believe in a supreme being—he just hasn't figured out what form that is or how he wants to recognize it."
Homosexuality and Masturbation could silence the Church forever!
It's a big responsibility, all, but now that you know the way, we all need to make it happen! You know what to do!
I feel the same way. Watching the clip is bad enough.
But can you imagine what it would be like hearing that kind of shit not only every week in church, but every day from your own parents?
I was not always an ideal kid; I am slightly dyslexic, and when I was in school nobody knew anything about that. I just got bad grades in arithmetic and reading....even though I was addicted to books at an early age. BUT I never doubted that my parents loved me.
At one point I thought my below-average schoolwork was the reason my dad drank...it took me years and years to get over that, but I never thought he didn't love me.
One of my friends was brought up a strict fundamentalist Lutheran; her grandfather was a minister, and her father was the chhurch organist. Their entire family and social life revolved around the church. She had nightmares about Hell till she grew up, read the entire buybull from cover to cover, and came out of that experience an atheist.
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
The film "Jesus Camp" has been out for years and I still can't bring myself to watch it. I've seen some clips also. I know I'll just be spending an hour and a half getting increasingly pissed off to the point of exasperation. Just knowing what the movie is about puts me in a pissy mood.
The major problem with so-called conversion therapy, besides the fact that it doesn't work, is that it's the same horrible message that is delivered to the already converted every Sunday; "You are all miserable sinners, and unworthy of god's love, but as a favor to you, Jesus died on the cross to atone for your sins anyway. So you'd better do what I tell you to do, or else..."
Control. Control. Control.
What does it do to ANY child to hear that they are worthless day in and day out?
I've seen a film clip from "Jesus Camp," an actual summer camp for kids under 12 (I think). It's frightening. They got a bunch of 8-year-olds in a group and harangued them, yelled at them, for hours about what bad, worthless, sinners they were, and that they were all going to hell. These were kids from fundamentalist families who already believed...
I can't imagine being alone in a room with a toad like Marcus Bachmann telling me I was born wrong, or that I only imagined I was born the way I was/am. (I happen to be str8, but that doesn't matter; what if most of the world was gay, and srt8s were considered "queer," and "needed" therapy? Same thing, IMO.)
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