LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends


LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

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Comment by Chrissie Farthing on June 23, 2014 at 2:01pm

Hi Fallen Angel, well I have been a member of this group for quite some time and I am sure everyone here knows my transgender status and I have been accepted with no problem.  Us "Ts" have to make ourselves visible which we tend not to do.  I join into everything under the LGBT banner and I have always been made a full partner in the activities.  Too many of us are not out and proud and until we get fully involved we will appear on the outside I am involved with SAGE and PROMO and I belong to a number of lesbian groups and the only place I have ever found prejudice has been OLOC.  When I was made aware of their bias I promptly resigned and I hear that a number of non T ladies have also dropped membership.

My advice, don't complain - just get involved.  It works.

Comment by Fallen Angel on June 23, 2014 at 11:34am

i think the issue of transgenders is kind of not being addressed and kind of swept under the table and thoroughly diluted into gay rights and sexuality, transsexualism is actually a very different issue, it has to do with gender and gender expression, so, im just leaving this message here for atheists to see so hopefully they can help create some awareness for the trans community and encourage people to get educated about what being trans really is, thank you :)

ps. not that you guys don't care about the trans community already, just putting this out there cause, you know, poular atheists often talk about the lgbt community and mention homosexuality a lot but they don't really cover gender identity and gender expression, which i think they should...maybe it might get someone's attention out there

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 20, 2014 at 10:41pm

Chrissie, what a wonderful life you have lived and yu made some tough choices. It must have been a challenge to decide to make such an important change in your life, even as you could not have known the hidden risks you were taking. What if you didn't like the choice you made? or What if you were unhappy with your new self? I respect your wisdom and courage to take on such a life's journey and now can describe your experiences first hand. 

I am very happy you joined this group. 

Comment by Chrissie Farthing on June 20, 2014 at 10:31pm

After living on both sides I think females, if done right can be wonderful and great fun.  For me, this new life is much more rewarding than my previous life.  Of course I was able to make a lot better income as male and now in retirement I don't have to be employed and I have a reasonable income so now is a wonderful fun time.  To go back to male would for me be worse than death. 

Of course I was never interested in the so called male fun things to do and always longed for those things that we as females get involved in. I can now be a doll collector out in the open and have a house full of them.  I play Bunko in a lesbian group and several other female groups so females do have more fun but that is only my opinion.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 20, 2014 at 8:56pm

Felaine, of course I remember the WASPs but not the vivid remembrance of Dorothy Britt Mann by her daughter. Those were interesting times, indeed, and many changes came out of those experiences of women doing men's work when the men were at war, and then returning to women's work at lower pay, power and prestige. 

Chrissie, love your story and how you can use your femaleness to make your point. I am just a wee bit curious, do women have more fun than men? 

"a woman’s place is every place."

Comment by Chrissie Farthing on June 20, 2014 at 8:02pm

Next March I will be attending the reunion of Air Force Pilot Training Class 55 India. In the early 50s there were no female pilots.  As I have been female for a number of years now and pass so well this is going to be fun to show and say no, I am not one of the wives I am one of the pilots. I have the history and now days I just love walking into a male dominated area with full rights to be there but as a woman.  Then when one of them challenges me I let it be known I also served as an officer in several African and Arabian Armed Forces something that most of them didn't have the balls for.  I just love rocking the boat and I am still having fun in my 80s. 

The WASPs were a wonderful bunch and they as well as the Rosy the Riveters were really dumped on when it was over.  I lived near the Navy Yard in Wash. DC and saw how so many ladies in my neighborhood were just told "Go home and don't come back, you are no longer needed"

Comment by sk8eycat on June 20, 2014 at 7:26pm

Joan, about "women's work" and you remember the WASPs, the women who piloted planes from the manufacturers to the delivery points?  When the war ended they were all let go with no severance pay.  Many even had to pay their own bus fare back to their home towns.

KONA, HI ~ If you haven’t heard of the WASP, or Women Airforce Service Pilots, it’s because 65 years ago these brave women who flew non-combat missions for the U. S. Army were unceremoniously disbanded so that male pilots could have their jobs.

In one of his large compensatory gestures, President Obama signed S. 614 last week, a bill awarding my mother and 1,101 other pioneering women the Congressional Gold Medal of Honor for their service during World War II. It soothed an old sting that the WASP and their families could not forget.

And despite the sting, these creative, powerful women broke the glass ceiling anyway, long before Hilary Clinton was even born.

In fact, they soared through the glass ceiling. They crossed the fickle line of social and professional customs which had tried to keep women “in their place,” certainly on the ground. But my Mom, Dorothy Britt Mann, together with her WASP comrades, knew a woman’s place is every place.


Comment by Joan Denoo on June 20, 2014 at 6:21pm

Grinning Cat, you wrote, "for a fossil-fuel-free future, somehow we need to frame supporters of the fossil fuel industries as not just fossils themselves -- people think of fossils as harmless ancient artifacts -- but toxic fossils!

By framing, I assume you mean redefine how it is that we perceive supporters of the fossil fuel industries. 

OK, I am open to ideas, let's have a go at this. What do you suggest? 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 20, 2014 at 5:26pm

Carl, thanks for the great story of Jessica Velez and her ability to set goals and reach them, even if they are not gender assigned. I love her spunk and the energy of her self-competence in the radio interview. 

Would it not be nice to have little boys and little girls follow their interests from their first day in school? The Community College where I taught had a mission statement that stated students would learn sex-appropriate behaviors. In reality, I trained women to find the jobs they wanted and career paths that fit their personalities and provided living wages. Many of my students became long-haul truck drivers, carpenters, electricians.

Some of the war stories they told when they returned to speak to the students who followed them amazed us. For example, one woman got a job as a truck driver. When she stopped for a potty break at a honey bucket, some male truck drivers tipped the bucket over on its door side so she couldn't get out. Another woman who went to work at Kaiser Rolling Mill was shoved into a locker with some rags soaked in acid. These, and other stories of harassment were not uncommon in those days. Some very expensive litigation finely caught the attention of the owners and shareholders and such outrageous behavior ended. 

I know I have told you this story before, but one woman hired as a truck driver of one of those trucks with tires taller than she was had a terrible time with harassment until, by accident, she ran over he state examiner's pick up and smashed it into a pancake. Her co-workers saw her as an asset from that day forward. 

These stories are nothing compared to the Rosie the Riveter stories of WW II. 

I have to add that during WW II, my mother and aunts all had jobs at Kaiser Rolling Mill during the war. They made good wages, had good benefits, and were able to support our families while our fathers were gone. After the war, all the women received "pink slips" and could not get any jobs there that paid living wages. The returning men replaced the women.  

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 20, 2014 at 1:30pm

That is a great story about Jessica Velez, who aspires to be a Navy SEAL!

And Joan, for a fossil-fuel-free future, somehow we need to frame supporters of the fossil fuel industries as not just fossils themselves -- people think of fossils as harmless ancient artifacts -- but toxic fossils!


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