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Dear Grinning Cat, I think I'd rather die than cave in to the Health Police. I've been contemplating ways to leave the planet for more than 60 years, and I haven't even been able to give myself lung cancer.
Still working on it, though.
Worth mentioning here, since LGBT people have higher rates than the general population of both smoking and suicide:
A new study finds that smoking itself may increase suicide risk, and that policies to limit smoking reduce suicide rates.
sk8eycat, I take issue with the claim that Tolson was Hoover's 'life time love" since no one has come forward with anything but circumstantial evidence, such as the fact that they lived together and shared each other's companionship for decades. Yes, the circumstantial evidence is strong, but there are other reasonable hypotheses, as we say in the law. Hoover is also long rumored to have been a cross-dresser but that, too, has never been proved. Leave it to an FBI guy to figure out how to hide something for the duration of his adult life. Wasn't Matlovich dishonorably discharged for his open homosexuality? I read plenty about him when he had his 15 minutes, but can't recall any details. And, BTW, I too continue to believe there was something other than friendship between Hoover and Tolson. Guess you recall the way Oliver Stone portrayed them in his movie about Nixon. They are shown at the horse races, and there is every reason to suspect that Hoover issued his proclamation that there was no such thing as the Mafia, because he was what the mob calls "a degenerate gambler." Also, Stone shows them sunning poolside at home, and it is interesting in this regard that Stone cast Brian Bedford as Tolson. Bedford is fairly well known to be gay, although I don't think he ever came out.
I emailed the photo of Leonard Matlovich's grave to a friend who lives in DC...here's his reply:***************************************************
Sgt Leonard Matlovich. He's buried in Congressional Cemetery. It's not far from me but I haven't been there. Two other people buried there are J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson his life time lover. They are not buried nest to each other but in different rows but the graves are within sight of each other.
One of my friends has told me that if you go to Hoover's grave and look toward Tolson's you see Matlovich's stone. I'm sure that if that's true it is coincidental but I want to believe that some wag orchestrated this.
Thanks for sharing Leonard Matlovich's moving tombstone, which he designed without a name, to be a memorial to all gay veterans.
Also for that cartoon poking fun at a common assumption! <grin>
Ruth, I love that set of photos too!
As for the "alphabet soup", I agree that all of us outside the "straight and narrow" model should be included, whether by an alphabet soup like LGBTQIA* (with wildcard at the end for other letters) or a term like GSD (Gender and Sexual Diversities, as proposed by London-based Pink Therapy).
John Corvino explains the distinctions between sexual orientation and gender identities in "LGBTQrstuv: Bisexuality & Transgender" (even though he talks about gender as a binary).
I like Ruth's photos, too, and Sentient, no apologies are needed for your good rundown on how the alphabet soup evolved. Since all kinds of people are using the four-letter version on TV nowadays, it's become kind of "official." And who am I to say?
Ruth, I love those three photos!
Regarding the whole "alphabet soup" issue. If we are to be a community that represents and includes all persons whose sexual and/or gender identity is "different" than the mainstream, then I'm fine with having as many letters as needed. It is up to each of us to individually identify ourselves in a manner which is personally comfortable. Sexual orientation and identity can be very fluid, so the inclusion of many identifying terms is necessary.
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