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To some extent I will "take what I can get" as far as acceptance of human beings as who their are, in the religions. Any moderation is better than nothing at all. Islam supports the murder of gays and unsubmissive women. And in the 'privacy' of their churches and homes, so do evangelicals - they just don't run any countries where they can make that happen.
If Islam could be diluted to the extent that christianity is today, that seem good. The problem is - this from a nonmuslim, nonscholar- christianity has at least the bipolar message of Jesus, who can be a source of love as well as hate. Islam has only the unipolar message of the prophet, who does not have a message of mercy, as far as I know. So within Islam, I don't know if there is possibility of reform, only dilution via Westernism.
I wonder which is worse, having fags or having women in your mosque, or if both are equally repugnant.
I'm always torn about how to react when religious people do something "progressive." On one hand I'm glad they are changing toward the better. On the other hand, I'm dismissive of their slow-to-change progress on what really should be non-issues in a modern society.
Re: the "converted" evangelical - he's talking in a christian context that's complete nonsense, but his change of view is still notable.
controversy over a proposed "Women and gay friendly mosque" in South Africa.
"Mr Hargey says the Open Mosque, that has been in development for two years, is designed to counter growing Islamic radicalism in Africa
It does happen - a "conversion" in the right direction.
Interview with the author of The Bible's Yes to Same Sex Marriage
Mark Achtemeier has been a minister with the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A) since 1984, and for much of his ministry he characterized himself as a “conservative anti-gay activist.” As a pastor and an associate professor of theology and ethics at the University of Dubuque Theological Seminary, Achtemeier wrote and spoke against the ordination of gay and lesbian ministers and co-wrote a declaration of faith that an anti-ordination coalition adopted.
That began to change in 2001, Achtemeier says when he made friends with some gay and lesbian Christians, some of whom had tried everything in their power to “change” their sexual orientation or had embraced a life of celibacy.
“It was producing broken people,” he told me, “and it wasn’t just isolated instances of this. I saw more and more of this and came away from these experiences thinking something is wrong with this picture. That got me writing and asking questions.”
Here's the interview:
Advocate.com: Gay Warriors
Seven photographs of gay military couples.
Web people raised 90,000 for Daniel Pierce. Very nice.
This video has been viral on several websites. There's no way so far to verify, but the evidence supports it. Warning - it's harsh. From TheAdvocate.com "
19 year old... Daniel Pierce filmed his family's reaction to his confirmation that he was gay in chilling first-hand look at the violence...."
Sentient - I too read something about children raised by same-sex parents being a bit more empathetic and less bound to rigid gender roles. (And the problem with that is...?)
@ Sentient - now that is a PERFECT example of right wing nutcase logic! Another argument against gay marriage is it wrecks Oscar Wilde's claim that "'Marriage' and 'bigamy' are much the same; both mean having one wife too many."
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