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L.A. Pride parade morphs into #ResistMarch

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Andrew Jun 13. 2 Replies

Thanks "Equality State"

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Andrew May 8. 10 Replies

We're targeted by the justice system

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 19. 2 Replies

Porn site puts North Carolina legislature to shame

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 29, 2016. 1 Reply

Research on Chest Binding

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Sep 28, 2016. 1 Reply

First nationwide survey of anti LGBT youth violence

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Aug 27, 2016. 1 Reply

Supported Transgender Kids Do Fine

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 20, 2016. 2 Replies

Religious Colleges get federal pass on discrimination

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 9, 2016. 3 Replies

Gay Suicide - Art Backfires

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Mar 30, 2016. 6 Replies

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Comment by Plinius on Tuesday

I think the rat race is getting much worse, and young people are more than ever unable to look outside their own bubble. 

Comment by Daniel W on Monday

Joan, I'm sure you are right about aging activists.

What I'm feeling these days is that the young are more puritanical in their habits of judging, intolerance of diverse opinion, and knee-jerk opinions.  I am sure there was that 30 or 40 years ago, too, but it seems much more these days.  It is true that when I was young, my community was dealing with illness and death everywhere, there was discrimination everywhere, discovery by itself commonly led to loss of job and family, and we were openly demonized by the US President, by mainstream big-name ministers, and sometimes the only thing to do was leave and start life again somewhere else - a chance not everyone has.  In the late 80s, I went through the death of my partner and then my best friend, 3 months apart, I lived for a while out of my car, and worked 3 minimum wage jobs while going to school full time.  I know very well that others go through their own kind of hardships, and some don't have the opportunities that I had.  Although I wound up working too long and hard to fit volunteering into my later life, I did contribute financially to organizations that promote racial development and opportunity, and racial community building, because that is where I think some of the most difficult human uplifting is needed.

When the young vilify older people who don't fit their hierarchy of underprivilege, and don't toe the politically correct line that they trumpet, they are no better than the oppressors.  Often, they are blind to the fact that they do oppress others, such as via gentrification, and through ageism,and sometimes through racism.  What is needed is to open lines of communication, not have people shouting and judging each other, and manufacturing ever more intricate intersectional oppressionism.  They need to get out of their insular communities and learn the other point of view.  That goes for both sides of the liberal - conservative spectrum.  And everyone needs to know it's not a binary system, that once in a while their own side is wrong and the other side has some valid points.

I agree with you about gardening, enjoying companionship from our own species and other animals, having a sense of wonder, self nurturing by puttering and cooking.  That is where I need to concentrate my efforts these days!

On the other hand, Vancouver has a pride day in the central square, in July.  It's more low key than Portland Pride, more diverse age-wise, and I think we will go to that.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 18, 2017 at 6:05pm

There is something that happens as activists get older, it seems we get tired and a new generation takes over the struggle, some with very different goals and themes. I remember those early days when women wanted the vote, blacks and minorities wanted access to opportunity, physically handicapped wanted to be able to get around in wheelchairs, elders wanted protection from poverty in old age, children wanted to not be hit, physically, as they developed, and countless other campaigns.  

All those human rights came into being to one extent or another after horrendous struggles. The younger generation benefit from those efforts and they stand on the shoulders of giants, unaware, all too often, of the history of hardships imposed on people because of race, gender, sexual orientation, disability, poverty, and ignorance. 

I am too tired to engage in action and even discussion wears me out. Life as we know it may be coming to an end and I haven't got the stamina to do anything but read about permaculture, putter in my greenhouse, and tend to my few raised beds. I have nice chats with other permaculturists; they are a friendly lot! 

I choose not to say, "God help us all!"

I do choose to write about my garden and read about others' gardens. 

I also choose to find something full of wonder each and every day and wallow in my gratitude.

Comment by Daniel W on June 18, 2017 at 5:00pm

Today was the Portland Pride parade.  I didnt go.  I dont feel like I belong.  I read comments on various social media, and I felt that several identities that describe me have been vilified and scapegoated in the young progressive media:  older, white, cisgendered gay male.  Too bad, without my generation, the millenial lgbt community would be living like we did.  I wasnt a good way to live.  Let them be self rightious about putting white burrito truck ladies out of business for supposed cultural appropriation, while basking in their gentrified progresive white mecca.  I didnt have a lot of energy anyway.  I dont belong with conservatives, bg a long, long shot, but probably not with liberals any more either.  Good luck to them anyway.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 17, 2017 at 2:39am

Pride parades have morphed into an entirely different entity than how they started, for good or bad.  Parades now are sponsored by a slew of corporations such as wall street banks, airlines, grocery chains, beer and alcohol companies, etc.  It's nice to have the support, but are they embracing us only for the positive marketing and for making money from us?  Some people want to do away with the corporations.     

Inclusion of certain groups has always brought controversy.  I think back to all the years when NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) marched in Chicago's pride parades.  Fast forward to today, some people are protesting the inclusion of police departments, or even to have the police perform security detail for our parades.  LGBTQ people of color especially don't like the inclusion of law enforcement groups.  LGBTQ people of all colors and ethnicities should be against any type of police brutality.  The Chicago Police Department has LGBTQ officers in uniform marching in their own group in the parade.  Should they not be allowed?

The Charlotte/Trump situation is quite unique.  Trump says he supports us, but he hasn't done anything to prove it.  Additionally, he has surrounded himself with countless people who each have their individual histories of actively fighting against our rights, and even our mere existence.  Trump is not standing in their way.

Some people question whether Trump is even a "true" Republican.  Whatever direction he politically leans, for this moment in time he is the leader and megaphone for the Republican party, and they certainly are no friend to the LGBTQ community. 

I think I would have been inclined to include the Trump supporters in the Charlotte parade because I support free speech and because those folks are, indeed, part of the LGBTQ community.

Chicago's parade has been VERY political for quite some time, with politicians falling over themselves to participate, from governors, state and federal senators, congresspeople and representatives, mayors, aldermen, and everyone in between.  Overall, their participation is well received.  Of course, our vocal support for them is contingent upon their voting record.  Frankly, each politician honestly knows beforehand whether their decision should be "yes or no" to participate.  

The parade is also full of LGBTQ-friendly churches.  Although I'm an atheist, I support their right to be there, even though most, if not all, of our opposition stems from religious beliefs.  Sidenote:  a longtime gay friend of mine is an ordained minister and for years headed LGBTQ congregations.

It's all intricately complicated.  Overall, if the support is there, I'm for inclusion.  

Comment by Daniel W on June 15, 2017 at 9:15pm

Andrew, Trump has not spoken out against the LGBT community.  In fact, he has less antigay activity than much of the Republican party.  However, many of his appointees are very antigay including Pence

As far Charlotte pride excluding a Trump group, one really cant claim to be a coalition or movement that embraces diversity and inclusion, then exclude a group for not falling in line with the polutically correct agenda.  Of the hundreds of Pride parades and celebrations, Im guessing that most will not exclude Tump factions, even if that makes for a raucous situation.  LGBT political events have historically had a lot of disagreements. 

I am generally very liberal, but I hate the mind-control aspects of modern political correctness, and purist anti-free speech.

Comment by Andrew on June 15, 2017 at 8:36pm
Has trumpet really spoken out against the gay community? Someone please educate me. As far as gay supporters of the a-hole are concerned, it seems a shame to me for them to be shut out. It does seem to be one big area where LGBTQI folks of both political sides have a lot in common, and isn't that a way to begin meaningful dialog?
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on June 15, 2017 at 6:25pm

Commerce Dept. Removes Gender, Sexual Orientation From Equal Employment Statement

Daily Beast

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 15, 2017 at 5:53pm

Thanks for the news about a gay Irish Prime Minister, Daniel.

I have mixed feelings about Gay Trump supporters being cast out of the Charlotte Pride Parade.

Comment by Daniel W on June 15, 2017 at 2:46pm

Serbia gets its first Lesbian prime minister.   From The Guardian:

"The Serbian president, Aleksandar Vučić, announced on Thursday evening that he was giving Brnabić, a non-party technocrat, the mandate to form a new government, describing her as “hard-working, [with] professional and personal qualities”, the Serbian news agency B92 reported"

Ireland gets its first gay Prime Minister (Taoiseash) - NPR - "The government that I lead will not be one of left or right, because those old divisions don't comprehend the political challenges of today"  He's considered rather conservative.

Not much comes out these days, about about the persecution of gay people in Chechnya.  Must not be all that interesting, compared to US reality-show politics.

 

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