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Does Obama's gay advocacy exclude trans

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Betty Bowers on PRIDE

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Gay christians.

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Boycotting Indiana

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Per Right Wing Watch, The Nuts Are Really Coming after the Fruits

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Discrimination by nontheists?

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Comment by dr kellie on November 11, 2010 at 11:32am
At first, I thought this was supposed to be funny.

Comment by Daniel W on November 7, 2010 at 8:06am
thanks. that makes sense.
Comment by katchaya on November 7, 2010 at 7:44am
He's not taking hormones yet. Thats why they are allowing him to stay on the team.
Comment by Daniel W on November 6, 2010 at 10:33pm
thegrio.com. Openly transgender NCAA Basketball player. Inch by inch, the world changes. "A female-to-male transgender member of the George Washington women's basketball team wants to be identified as a man this season." Im not a sports fan, unclear to me how a (transgender) man can play on the women's basketball team, instead of men's team - there's the testosterone issue as increasing body lean mass, compared to women. But I still think it's cool.
Comment by Daniel W on November 6, 2010 at 1:45pm
Uh Oh. I thought it was strange yet compelling. Childlike yet worldly. At least a small diversion.
Comment by Richard Healy on November 6, 2010 at 3:08am
Some people have too much time on their hands...
Comment by Daniel W on November 5, 2010 at 10:00pm

I have no idea what to think of this....
Comment by Daniel W on November 4, 2010 at 11:27am
oh, also-
Obama's reactions to gay issues still make me think he wants to put on a neoprene body suit before touching one of us.
Comment by Daniel W on November 4, 2010 at 11:22am
So....

from Wikipedia....

"The United States presidential election of 1860 set the stage for the American Civil War. The nation had been divided throughout most of the 1850s on questions of states' rights and slavery in the territories. In 1860, this issue finally came to a head, fracturing the formerly dominant Democratic Party into Southern and Northern factions and bringing Abraham Lincoln and the Republican Party to power without the support of a single Southern state. Hardly more than a month following Lincoln's victory came declarations of secession by South Carolina and other states, which were rejected as illegal by outgoing President James Buchanan and President-elect Lincoln."

also
"After the Civil War, turmoil continued in Reconstruction, with the rise of white supremacist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and the issue of granting Civil Rights to freed blacks. These controversies would last for almost a century." (wikipedia again)

Lovely!

I think not all of my thoughts about Obama were fully rational and informed. Years ago, I went to a book reading by Andrew Sullivan. He spoke passionately about the rights for same sex marriage. That was the first time I had ever thought about the topic, never believing until then that it was even worth thinking about. I can't say that I agree with Sullivan about a lot, but when he was an early supporter, passionately, for Obama, I was swayed. I did think he was less experienced than Clinton, but he seemed more able to unite people in a cause; whether her own doing or not, the atmosphere around Clinton was more divisive. Because of that, I thought Obama was more electable, and coming into office on a tsunami of good will, and able to organize people incredibly well (witness his election juggernaut) would be able to get needed change into place.

I was wrong. I do wonder if he became more wimpified by re-election lust, and that wimpification might be his undoing.

As for FLorida, events and people there continue to amaze and horrify.
Comment by Dominic Florio on November 4, 2010 at 10:19am
I should have included the full comment about the 1860's. On the Atheist Meet-up site, Steve Brown made the following comments:
On the election of Rick Scott and the new Florida legislature (Damien Cave in the NY Times):

“It’s a real opportunity for us,” said Mike Haridopolos, the state Senate president. “He’ll have the most conservative Senate since the 1860s.”

Ah, the wonderful 1860s!
Also, I never supported Obama, until he was our only choice. Clinton was not the best supporter of the LGBT community that ever was, but i saw her as more of a fighter than Obama.
I saw many gay people and others fall into the trap of buying into his sound bites. He sounded like a minister to me. Now, many are disappointed. I predicted his lack of guts, but I hoped for more.
 

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