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LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

Location: International
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Latest Activity: Aug 4

Welcome to Gay / LGBTQI Atheists & friends!

Video "In A Heartbeat" by Jackie-Ross Lavender
Thanks Flying Atheist for the link.

Discussion Forum

Porn site puts North Carolina legislature to shame

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jul 17. 2 Replies

Fascist Anti-Gay Backlash Can Escalate Fast

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 13. 4 Replies

L.A. Pride parade morphs into #ResistMarch

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Andrew Jun 13. 2 Replies

Thanks "Equality State"

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Andrew May 8. 10 Replies

We're targeted by the justice system

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 19. 2 Replies

Research on Chest Binding

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Sep 28, 2016. 1 Reply

First nationwide survey of anti LGBT youth violence

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Aug 27, 2016. 1 Reply

Supported Transgender Kids Do Fine

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 20, 2016. 2 Replies

Religious Colleges get federal pass on discrimination

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 9, 2016. 3 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on July 28, 2017 at 11:44pm
Comment by Joan Denoo on July 28, 2017 at 11:42pm

Who got the right to vote when? A history of voting rights in America.

Who are citizens? In the early days, only whilte, male, Protestant, land owning people were citizens. 
1868 Former slaves granted citizenship
1876 Indigenous people cannot vote
1882 Asians cannnot be citizens
1887 Grants citizenship to Native Americans who give up their tribal affiliations.
1920 Right to vote extended to women
1947 Legal barriers to Native American voting removed
1952 People with Asian ancestry can vote
1961 Citizens of Washington, DC can vote
1963 Voting rights as civil rights
1964 No tax required to vote
1965 Voting Rights Act passed
1971 Voting age lowered to 18
2013 Part of Voting Rights Act struck down

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 27, 2017 at 2:38pm

If I recall correctly, recent polling shows that a majority supports protections for LGBTQ persons.  Honestly, I think Donald tRump couldn't care one way or the other .  The problem with him is that the evangelical fundamentalists have a constant message pipeline to his ear and he's being highly influenced by their lies.  His recent Twitter statement about transgender people in the military smacks of their anti-gay talking points.  And of course having Jeff Sessions and Mike Pence cheering him on adds to the destruction of our rights.

Comment by Daniel W on July 27, 2017 at 12:12pm

BB that's bad news.  We all knew there would be a retrenchment.  "Thank you, midwestern and southern red state people, and thank you liberal nonvoters!"

Comment by Daniel W on July 27, 2017 at 12:00pm

Eddie Izzard on being transgender.

Eddie Izzard on Jesus and dinosaurs

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 27, 2017 at 11:05am

Justice Dept. Weighs In Against Protections for Gays in the Workplace

NYT

The Department of Justice has filed court papers arguing that a major federal civil rights law does not protect employees from discrimination based on sexual orientation in a case now being considered by a New York appeals court.

The department’s decision to file a brief in the case was a rare example of top officials in Washington weighing in on gay rights in what is an important but essentially private dispute between a worker and his boss. Civil rights advocates criticized the filing not only for its arguments, but also for having been made on the same day that President Trump announced on Twitter that transgender people would be banned from serving in the military.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 25, 2017 at 5:01pm

There's an excellent book on this, Galileo's Middle Finger by Alice Dreger. Amazon's blurb:

An impassioned defense of intellectual freedom and a clarion call to intellectual responsibility, Galileo’s Middle Finger is one American’s eye-opening story of life in the trenches of scientific controversy. For two decades, historian Alice Dreger has led a life of extraordinary engagement, combining activist service to victims of unethical medical research with defense of scientists whose work has outraged identity politics activists. With spirit and wit, Dreger offers in Galileo’s Middle Finger an unforgettable vision of the importance of rigorous truth seeking in today’s America, where both the free press and free scholarly inquiry struggle under dire economic and political threats. This illuminating chronicle begins with Dreger’s own research into the treatment of people born intersex (once called hermaphrodites). Realization of the shocking surgical and ethical abuses conducted in the name of “normalizing” intersex children’s gender identities moved Dreger to become an internationally recognized patient rights activist. But even as the intersex rights movement succeeded, Dreger began to realize how some fellow progressive activists were employing lies and personal attacks to silence scientists whose data revealed uncomfortable truths about humans. In researching one such case, Dreger suddenly became the target of just these kinds of attacks. Troubled, she decided to try to understand more—to travel the country to ferret out the truth behind various controversies, to obtain a global view of the nature and costs of these battles. Galileo’s Middle Finger describes Dreger’s long and harrowing journeys between the two camps for which she felt equal empathy: social justice activists determined to win and researchers determined to put hard truths before comfort. Ultimately what emerges is a lesson about the intertwining of justice and of truth—and a lesson of the importance of responsible scholars and journalists to our fragile democracy.
Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 25, 2017 at 4:06pm

Daniel, one of the big problems with people is that they think in such binary, black and white terms.  People are lazy thinkers, and when a subject falls outside their preconceived parameters, they shut down and dismiss it.  This is why these types of complex issues fester for so long without due recognition and discussion.  People don't like thinking outside their comfort zone.  In the meantime, the affected group needlessly suffers.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on July 25, 2017 at 3:06pm

Daniel, thanks for the comments. I had no idea 1.7% of people were born intersexed.

Comment by Daniel W on July 25, 2017 at 3:00pm

It's probably not an accurate sampling, but the handful of intersex patients, who I cared for, were all traumatized with lasting effects well into adulthood.  I think it's at least as bad as society's treatment of other LGBT people.

I don't know why, but I am guessing that to be intersex, is to violate the canard that god made all creatures as either female or male, and that sexuality is concordant with god-given sexual phenotype.

You can sort of argue that to be gay, Lesbian, or Intersex are psychological, and deviation from god-created norms for one's anatomical destiny.  You can not argue that intersex anatomic variations are psychological, or that intersex people are willfully disobeying god, by just existing.

So they have to be surgically forced into a role, and it that role is wrong for who they are, or if it injures them physically resulting life-long pain and dysfunction, well that's just tough.

It's kind of similar to what I thought about race in my racist Baptist church when I was in high school.  OK, blacks only marry blacks, whites only marry whites, East Asians only marry East Asians, but what about someone who is part one and part another.  Who do they marry?  And can East Asians marry South Asians or SouthEast Asians?  Where do you draw the line?  "Danny, you ask too many questions!  Stop that!"

Who does a Christian say that an intersex person can marry?  And legally, what should their driver's license and birth certificate state?

 

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