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I think you are right on the money Marx. It would be like saying that in 1823, a German man, who was married to a British woman, living in a certain place, at the age of ?, having a child with a disability, invented...
There should not be a judgement made on this individual that is based on bigotry, but all of this information gives us historical background of who, what, why, and how this person got to the place in which he arrived.
All of our experiences shape who we are and what we do, even if the facts are negative, in our perspective. For example, I am a big fan of Thomas Jefferson, but I am not happy about the fact that he had slaves. But, I consider that information, givent hose times, and the mentality and culture in that time of history.
The past week, information surfaced about the discovery of a caveman, who was probably gay or transgender. Unfortunately, in the mind of the bigot, we are just trying to justify our sin. But, I think it an exciting find.
If you really think about it, why am I happy about this? Although I am completely out, and completely comfortable with who I am, my life is still being debated. We all seek validation, and we all appreciate positive information about who we are, and where we came from.
I haven't posted for a while, so I thought I would put my two cents in on this one. I think I understand what Mike is saying, about how nice it would be if people did not care about the sexual orientation of historic figures. I completely agree with this. However, this is not the same as saying that we should not know or write about their sexual orientation. I do not get the impression that he is saying that. Dom is right on the money with his comments about the importance of the knowledge of the sexual orientation of historical characters. I do not think that the two ideas are mutually exclusive. We can and should have historians write honestly about the relationships of famous people and, at the same time, wouldn’t it be wonderful if our society had evolved to a level where people reading these accounts did not pass judgment on them – did not care, one way or the other. Do I understand you guys correctly, or is there something that I am missing?
I agree with Dominic. Why should we be any different?
But on the other hand Mike, knowledge of the sexuality of historical characters, can make gay and bi more of a norm, as it really is. Instead of some obscure, hidden embarrassment, sexuality is just as much a part of a person, as their sex, race, and country of origin.
Knowing this information should not be used to judge them, but as a vehicle to pride and something that others can look at, as a positive. Just as it is important for African Americans to know the contributions of African Americans in history, it would be a positive for members of the LGBT community to know their history.
Some LGBT people were "heroes" and some were "villains," but many were just ordinary people like most of us. It would be great for young people to know that their great uncle, who never married, was single for more reasons than wanting to take care of a sickly family member, or that the two elderly ladies who walk arm and arm in the neighborhood, are more than just good lifetime friends.
While heterosexuals get to speak and even brag about their opposite sex partners and how that has impacted their lives, how those relationships, both negative and positive, help to change that person's path in life, how they work as a team, or how a break up has devastaded them, and everything else that goes along with being in a relationship, LGBT people are not always given that right.
On a Monday morning, when a person tells his/her co-workers about the movie he/she saw with their spouse over the weekend, no one blinks. But, mention that you saw the movie with your same sex spouse, and some will accuse you of flaunting and promoting homosexuality.
So I respectfully disagree. I do care about the sexuality of people in history, the sexuality of celebrities, as well as the sexuality of my neighbors. Most people will disclose their sexuality by wearing a wedding ring or engaging in discussions of their relationships and families. Why should we be any different?
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