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LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

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Religious Colleges get federal pass on discrimination

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Mean Sally says, "Go kill yourself!"

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Gender Identity and Sustainability

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Epigenetics and sexual orientation

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Comment by Dominic Florio on May 13, 2012 at 9:15pm

I don't know the difference, being circumcised myself, but I do get angry when anyone tries to justify it.  It is obvious mutilation.  But, due to culture and growing up in the USA, I have always seen the circumcised penis as "normal" and attractive.  It shouldn't be that way.

Not only is the practice a product of religion, but it has caused a disrespect for the penis.  This is hard to reconcile being that penis is so important to most of us.  It might be that individual straight men, find their penises to be important to them, but they don't want to think about, or at least admit to thinking about someone else's penis. 

Imagine if anyone said, "If she looks at another guy, or if she does whatever..., I'll tear her breasts off, or I'll cut off her clit, or I'll sew up her vagina."  Everyone would be outraged, and rightfully so.  But, do you all remember back to the time of Bobbit having his penis cut off by his outraged wife?  Not only did everyone, including the media, make a big joke about it, there was even discussion of whether or not, she was justified.  Knowing how important the penis is to a man, it was and still is used as a subject of vulnerability and punishment.

While I'm not obsessed over it and I do feel quite "normal", I do see circumcision as a violation and mutilation of the individual.  Imagine how the inter-sexed person feels.  Not only were they not given the choice of being able to live as a man or a woman, they may choose to live just as they are.  Not only would surgery possibly remove any sexual sensation, besides that, the person may feel comfortable living neither as a male or a female.  It should be the choice of that person, when they are old enough to make it.  In the case of correction needed to assist in urination, again, the minimal surgery should be performed so that the person can make a decision about gender and sexual function, in their own time.  

Comment by Daniel W on May 13, 2012 at 9:02pm

VT, for what it's worth, I think clitorectomy is much more extreme than circumcision.   I'm against circumcision, but one is more major than the other.

Comment by vegantiger on May 13, 2012 at 8:48pm

Thank you SB. That was the point I was trying to make and I totally agree.

>>>My concern is if most of the surgeries are forced conformity to a >>>rigid gender standard.  It leads me to think psychological >>>injuries may be greater than the cosmetic "benefit", and need to >>>be respected.

Comment by vegantiger on May 13, 2012 at 8:46pm

I find it interesting almost everyone agrees that clitorectomies are child abuse and mutilation but people still don't get the connection with circumcision which is the same thing. It's religious stupidity and they've partnered with the medical field to claim it's done in the name of cleanliness, which you can hear most people chant like they're in a trance. It was originally done to curtail masterbation. Like that helped. LOL

Comment by vegantiger on May 13, 2012 at 8:41pm

Dallas Gaytheist...you're funny! LOL

>>>Do you have a penis yet? And how does a constructed penis get >>>erect? I’ve never known.

 

The bottom surgery I was alluding to is removing any female parts that may be there, called a radical hysterectomy, closing that up and then I will go to Dr. Brassard in Montreal who will create a penis from my forearm, called a forearm phalloplasty which will be hooked up to my micropenis surgically connecting all the nerves, blood vessels, etc. The next surgery will be creation of the scrotum and testicles then the third surgery, if necessary will be an erticle implant. Some guys end up not needing the erectile device if they have sufficient blood flow and enough natural erectile tissue that is connected to the new penis. There's a good documentary on YouTube that shows one such penis called "My Transsexual Summer". Check it out. Also Dr. Brassard's website is grsmontreal.com if you're interested in seeing what's entailed in the surgery.

Comment by Daniel W on May 13, 2012 at 5:40pm

DG, looking at history, Clinton was often said to be the first Black president.  That was because he apparently had a sensitivity for African American issues not seen by prior presidents, and was very supported by the African American community.  I'm not sure about the whole reason for that.  I suspect this Newsweek cover harkens to that.  The pic is directly via URL, not my copy, but from the Joe.my.god blog.   I don't think this is supposed to suggest that Obama is really gay, but Im sure it will be taken that way  by some opportunists.  If you google on it, there were rumors from way back about state representative Obama frequenting a Chicago gay bathhouse, then evidence of his (and Rahm Emmanuel's) membership being destroyed.  I suspect that whole thing was manufactured as a smear campaign, and was never taken seriously by the press.  The whole thing had the flavor of conspiracy theory.  There was also innuendo that Obama was involved in the murder of his supposed gay lover.  If you believe that.....  well, maybe he's also a space alien and cousin of "bat boy" from the old World Weekly News (he does sort of have the ears).

Comment by Daniel W on May 13, 2012 at 5:13pm

Newsweek wants some readers...

Comment by Daniel W on May 13, 2012 at 9:58am

DG I agree it is telling that a schizophrenic person so clearly embodies the homophobic mindset. Almost gives me compassion for Michelle Bachmann.  Almost.

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Also I agree if there are valid medical reasons for a surgery, that needs to be considered.  From my limited reading, most is not for that - removing a clitoris actually is FGM, even if it's an intersex child.  I would be living a life of anger.  Once it's gone, it's gone.  I would not want to think of life without my boy-parts, even if they were unusual.  A generous sized clitoris should not interfere with urination.  Hypospadias can be a hygeine issue so may need correction in some way.  My concern is if most of the surgeries are forced conformity to a rigid gender standard.  It leads me to think psychological injuries may be greater than the cosmetic "benefit", and need to be respected. 

Comment by Daniel W on May 13, 2012 at 9:25am

The "Crazy Nebraska Lady" really was mentally ill.

Comment by Daniel W on May 13, 2012 at 8:28am

VeganTiger, thank you for engaging this discussion. I think it is much better to have the people who are most affected by the topic, to describe your experience.  My own thoughts, which are only partially informed, are-

People seem to expect a rigid conformity where nature is more diverse.  Rather than forcing people into that conformity, we should let them decide.

Societies like to do bad things to genitals.  What is done to intersex babies is far, far more than circumcision.  Given the passion around discussions of circumcision, it's hard for me to accept that societies, parents, doctors can't just wait and let the individual decide what they want, as adults.

Even though people may mean well when they do genital surgery, is it really so bad to just let children grow up to become themselves?  Why not let society become re-educated and learn that diversity does not make someone a "freak", but rather provides an alternative way of being? 

People should just accept one another and understand that not everyone feels or thinks the same things, but there is a universality in being human and wanting to love and be loved, and feel passion and connection to others.

 

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