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Epigenetics and sexual orientation

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Gaydar doesn't exist and it's bad?

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Homophobia as pathology

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The Trans Issue

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Does Obama's gay advocacy exclude trans

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Betty Bowers on PRIDE

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Gay christians.

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Comment by Daniel W on April 21, 2011 at 10:29am
Dharun Ravi now indicted for harrassment, invasion of privacy, and other charges, in the gay baiting suicide death of Tyler Clementi. I do wonder why his accomplice, Molly Wei, is not also indicted. They may have had different roles in the situation.

It does show how times have changed. In the 80s when I was a grad student at Purdue University, the local police would go to the "cruising" spots, pretend to be cruising, and entrap men. They would arrest them, and it would be published in the local paper prior to the court date, so even if found innocent, they were outed to the community and their employers. And to their families, since a lot of them were married.

Even though there are a lot of differences between that and the Tyler Clemente case, what strikes me most is that the harrasser is now demonized and has lost their place in society. The bad part is that the harrassed is dead.
Comment by Dominic Florio on April 16, 2011 at 11:49pm

I think you are right on the money Marx.  It would be like saying that in 1823, a German man, who was married to a British woman, living in a certain place, at the age of ?, having a child with a disability, invented...

There should not be a judgement made on this individual that is based on bigotry, but all of this information gives us historical background of who, what, why, and how this person got to the place in which he arrived.

All of our experiences shape who we are and what we do, even if the facts are negative, in our perspective.  For example, I am a big fan of Thomas Jefferson, but I am not happy about the fact that he had slaves.  But, I consider that information, givent hose times, and the mentality and culture in that time of history.

The past week, information surfaced about the discovery of a caveman, who was probably gay or transgender.  Unfortunately, in the mind of the bigot, we are just trying to justify our sin.  But, I think it an exciting find.

If you really think about it, why am I happy about this?  Although I am completely out, and completely comfortable with who I am, my life is still being debated.  We all seek validation, and we all appreciate positive information about who we are, and where we came from.

Comment by Marx on April 16, 2011 at 3:06pm

Hi everyone,

I haven't posted for a while, so I thought I would put my two cents in on this one.  I think I understand what Mike is saying, about how nice it would be if people did not care about the sexual orientation of historic figures.  I completely agree with this.  However, this is not the same as saying that we should not know or write about their sexual orientation. I do not get the impression that he is saying that.  Dom is right on the money with his comments about the importance of the knowledge of the sexual orientation of historical characters.  I do not think that the two ideas are mutually exclusive.  We can and should have historians write honestly about the relationships of famous people and, at the same time, wouldn’t it be wonderful if our society had evolved to a level where people reading these accounts did not pass judgment on them – did not care, one way or the other.  Do I understand you guys correctly, or is there something that I am missing?

Comment by Daniel W on April 16, 2011 at 12:24pm
I fall on the side of revealing these relationships as well.  The more people know that there are respected, talended, honored, heroic, amazing people who also happen to be not-purely-heterosexial, the more acceptance there is.  Then being LGBT is less of an issue.
Comment by dr kellie on April 16, 2011 at 9:16am

I agree with Dominic.  Why should we be any different?

Comment by Daniel W on April 10, 2011 at 4:42pm
It was revealing to me that the "bromance", apparently with no mention of consumated sexuality, was enough to get the book banned.  To me this falls into a similar category as the man-relationship of Abe Lincoln as well.  That these historic, revered, great leaders would also be in  love, regardless of sexual acts, with a member of the same sex, is really inspiring.  The apparently fluid sexuality of Eleanor Roosevelt, apparently accepted by FDR, is another example. 
Comment by Dominic Florio on April 10, 2011 at 12:18pm

But on the other hand Mike, knowledge of the sexuality of historical characters, can make gay and bi more of a norm, as it really is.  Instead of some obscure, hidden embarrassment, sexuality is just as much a part of a person, as their sex, race, and country of origin.

Knowing this information should not be used to judge them, but as a vehicle to pride and something that others can look at, as a positive.  Just as it is important for African Americans to know the contributions of African Americans in history, it would be a positive for members of the LGBT community to know their history.

Some LGBT people were "heroes" and some were "villains," but many were just ordinary people like most of us.  It would be great for young people to know that their great uncle, who never married, was single for more reasons than wanting to take care of a sickly family member, or that the two elderly ladies who walk arm and arm in the neighborhood, are more than just good lifetime friends.

While heterosexuals get to speak and even brag about their opposite sex partners and how that has impacted their lives, how those relationships, both negative and positive, help to change that person's path in life, how they work as a team, or how a break up has devastaded them, and everything else that goes along with being in a relationship, LGBT people are not always given that right.

On a Monday morning, when a person tells his/her co-workers about the movie he/she saw with their spouse over the weekend, no one blinks.  But, mention that you saw the movie with your same sex spouse, and some will accuse you of flaunting and promoting homosexuality.

So I respectfully disagree.  I do care about the sexuality of people in history, the sexuality of celebrities, as well as the sexuality of my neighbors.  Most people will disclose their sexuality by wearing a wedding ring or engaging in discussions of their relationships and families.  Why should we be any different?

Comment by Daniel W on April 10, 2011 at 8:33am
Massachusets groups cancelled Ghandi eventsafter book describes Ghandi's bromance relationship that some people think might have been gay or bi or something.  The author states he never claimed Ghandi was gay or bi, but that he had a close relationship with a German bodybuilder and once wrote to him "How completely you have taken possession of my body. This is slavery with a vengeance."  Apparently some groups feel that this nonadmission of Ghandi's unknown sexuality, which is further flavored by the two men's committment to celibacy,  is offensive to his memory.
Comment by Daniel W on April 7, 2011 at 7:44pm

If you can't hit on someone at their mom's funeral, when can you hit on them?
Comment by Friend of Dorothy on April 4, 2011 at 2:16pm
Ducks? And all this time I have been worried about me and my Yellow Bellied Sap Sucker...Phew!!!

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