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Epigenetics and sexual orientation

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Gaydar doesn't exist and it's bad?

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Homophobia as pathology

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The Trans Issue

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Does Obama's gay advocacy exclude trans

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Betty Bowers on PRIDE

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Gay christians.

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Comment by Pat on July 1, 2015 at 10:01am

Time's article is spot on. But, like Loren said, premature. I hope to see the day government lives up to the admonition that Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion by giving them tax exemptions. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be in my lifetime.

On another note, here's a great video courtesy of a reference by Brother Richard. The glaring difference between an adult who learned to hate, and a child who learned love.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 1, 2015 at 9:25am

Time magazine's article is yeast in the mix of questioning the heavy emphasis on religion in USA. I agree, Loren, it is premature, and it is a seed. 

Comment by Loren Miller on July 1, 2015 at 8:59am

That's one hell of a statement Time magazine makes, there, Carl.  I see a serious problem with it, though, in that it would tend to ruin the small congregations which may or may not be innocuous, while the mega-churches with millions in their coffers would be able to survive, though taking a substantial monetary hit.  Exactly HOW churches would be taxed, on what scale and at what rates, would be the topic for endless debate all by itself.  Indeed, with all the god-talk that goes on in Congress as it is, how such a bill could get out of committee, never mind getting an up-or-down vote with the current make up of the House and Senate, is a question mark at best.

A further problem would be that the US government would be accused of pulling a massive about-face on its principles and indulging in clear persecution of religion, with butt-hurt christians leading the way, of course.  Personally, I see such a move while religion remains dominant in the US as a non-starter.  Reduce that influence with grass-roots action as atheists, agnostics and freethinkers are doing now to the point where we more closely resemble England in its religion attitudes and it might be a lot more possible.

I'm glad Time did what they did.  I just think it's premature.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 1, 2015 at 8:43am

Daniel, Time magazine just published a editorial advocating that religious organizations should lose their tax-exempt status.

Now’s the Time To End Tax Exemptions for Religious Institutions

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 30, 2015 at 3:00pm

I had a devil of a time getting this posted. So I copied and pasted it on another site and it was posted. Now, I see this one was finally posted a minute ago. Sorry for the duplicate. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 30, 2015 at 2:56pm

If there were a god he/she/it would be giving the same message to each nation on every continent. The imperative would be to live in peace with justice for all. The purpose would be to create a world of people making the decisions in the interest of the health of individuals, tribes, communities, nations, and religions. There would be no fight over doctrine. There would be an emphasis on community building. Voluntary population control would be part of the litany. The focus would be on cleanliness to prevent disease spread and an emphasis on problem-solving and conflict resolution. The highest value would be win/win with each one having a valid right to contribute and consume. 

What does exist seems to be an appetite for the accumulation of wealth and treasure. There are hierarchies that create class systems. 

A participatory structure based on need and availability of food and resources requires discipline to manage. If god existed, he/she/it would guide in setting limits. Sexual appetites based on desire would provide birth control instructions that work. 

If there is no god, any gods, and there is nothing listening or answering prayers, and there is no savior to redeem us, and there is no heaven, hell, nirvana or whatever, then Homo sapiens have to take charge of their lives. Stop depending on imaginary powers to solve problems. 

Begin to think in terms of taking responsibility for ones' safety, security and stability. Provide food for all and teach our children how to be self-sufficient. Provide work in maintaining our infrastructure. Develop strategies for access to life-long education and health care. Create the means to care for elderly through the aging process until death. 

Because there is no god, and Homo sapiens evolved from the great apes, and because Homo sapiens have the ability to see what is real, identify problems, search for options, develop action plans and evaluate progress, we, unlike great apes, can manage our lives. 

Comment by Daniel W on June 29, 2015 at 11:23pm


The churches and their leaders are morally bankrupt.  It's time to stop supporting them financially.  When churches don't pay taxes, we are supporting them.  Even atheists are supporting them through our tax dollars.

"The next time Congress is looking for an extra couple billion to finance a war, tell them to look no further than an income tax on religious payroll. Better yet, tell them today, and let them know you intend to VOTE accordingly"

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 29, 2015 at 11:09pm

"Change cannot possibly happen." So the followers of Jesus, or, rather, the followers-on who told stories about him and started a religion, had no business changing the clear knowledge of everything good and right and holy that came before! /s

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 23, 2015 at 3:40pm

LoL sk8ey cat, on “I wonder if the churches will ever be as financially bankrupt as they are morally.  (Then all the land they own could be put to better use, for one thing.)”

Enjoyed your video, Loren!

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 23, 2015 at 2:39pm

Change means leaving behind old rules that define who one is, what one's purpose in life is, and how one should think and act, even if the thoughts and actions do not fulfill the needs of the individual or the family. 

Change? What? No god? No angels? No Jesus? No heaven or hell? No obedience or submission? No morals? No rules? No bible? 

Who can a religious person trust if he or she can't trust in the words of the holy or the beliefs of the ancestors? 

Change means having to find the difference between right and wrong for oneself. It means there is no god to hear prayers or no Jesus to save. If he or she has no one or thing in which to put one's faith, how is one to know how to act, what to think, how to love, who to hate? 

Change means not having dominion over wives and children for men and not having a husband or father to control one's life for women. 

Change to what? Chaos? Disorder? Anarchy? Turmoil?  A woman cannot possibly allow that to happen; A man cannot permit it.

After all, the bible is holy! God exists and judges! Jesus sacrificed himself for others! Tradition maintains order! Change cannot possibly happen.  


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