LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

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LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

Members: 17
Latest Activity: Oct 10

Forum is now open for comments only, due to limited moderation.

The original creator has been absent 8 years.  She may no longer identify as Lesbian or as Atheist, but could still experience discrimination due to being listed as creator of this group.  This group does come up on internet search with this person, and her photo photo, as group creator.  We live in era when discrimination can be expected to increase on many fronts.

I moderated since that time. On several occasions, I requested that another member moderate, but was unable to find a volunteer who would actively moderate content.

Please be aware, posts left active on this group, especially discussion forum, can be hazardous to members, even ones who have been gone for many years.  In most states and countries, there is no protection for LGBT people regarding employment, housing, or employment.  The same is true regarding atheists.  Some members may not even be aware of discrimination, and may not be aware that their old posts and images are still there to come back and haunt them.  Posts and the membership list are visible on internet searches.

There has been at least one case of a member of Atheist Nexus experiencing employment discrimination due to their membership. 

Another member of Atheist Nexus was murdered in India, in 2011 (Ajita Kamal).  As far as I can tell, the perpetrator and motive were never found, but Kamal was a known atheist, and known atheists are frequently targeted for brutal killings in South Asia.

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I recommend that interested members start a new LGBT group, so that there is no issue with long absent group creator and no longer having a moderator.  Until that time, this group is open for a rolling comment wall.  I am not able to expire comments without closing the entire comment page, due to host program (Ning) limitations on moderation.

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Comment by Andrew on May 12, 2017 at 11:16pm
I'm not a history scholar, but the only times I'm aware of religion being officially outlawed, it was done by repressive, totalitarian regimes, much to the detriment of religious practitioners or anyone else seen as being subversive or dissident. Banning any widely accepted way of life is usually tyrannical, including even restricting dogma that we see as harmful, regressive, and self defeating. I agree that force cannot prevail, but that hearts and minds must change. I just don't have much confidence that we'll see that anytime in the foreseeable future.
Comment by The Flying Atheist on May 12, 2017 at 9:28am

Bertold, you bring up a good point about religion and child abuse.  While society presently doesn't equate religion in its entirety as abuse, at least we are seeing legislation banning gay conversion therapy, in addition to laws already in place banning FGM.  And we're also seeing pushback against religious exemptions when it comes to vaccinations and withholding medical care.  At least some of these worst practices are being eschewed.  . 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on May 12, 2017 at 9:15am

That's a very hard question to answer, Plinius.  Parents who induct children into religion really do believe they are doing a right and moral deed.  Fundamentalists aside, even the vast majority of religious people who make up watered-down, mainstream religions think what they are doing is innocuous.

Since terminating religion cannot be legislated away, we can only rely on changing minds.  Fortunately being non-religious is the current trend, despite how excruciatingly slow it is happening.  

Comment by Grinning Cat on May 12, 2017 at 6:38am

Who was it who said:

"Religion is like a penis.

It's fine to have one. It's fine to be proud of it.

But please don't wave it around in public.

And do not try to shove it down my children's throats."

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on May 12, 2017 at 6:37am

Hopefully one day indoctrinating children into religious beliefs will be recognized as child abuse.

Comment by Plinius on May 12, 2017 at 4:45am

What do you think of the freedom of parents to shove religion down their childrens' throats? Where does that freedom end and the freedom of the child start?

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on May 10, 2017 at 8:18pm

I went to Catholic school through 8th grade, and by then I'd had more than a lifetime supply. Religious freedom is a good thing, and an important thing. But let's not forget that it means everyone's free to believe whatever bullshit they want. It doesn't mean they get to shove it down other people's throats.

Comment by Andrew on May 10, 2017 at 7:59pm
From my early childhood, I was inculcated into a fundamentalist xian church. By the time I was in my teens, I was pretty much in the full rebellion mode and totally eschewed the whole thing by adulthood. These people show their true colors when they're behind legislation to restrict the rights of others based on their own world view. How these misguided fools can claim to espouse love while harshly judging those unlike themselves is more than a paradox. It's a threat to the rest of us.
Comment by The Flying Atheist on May 9, 2017 at 6:27pm

Those arguments are akin to "I don't care if you're gay. Just don't kiss or hold hands in public or tell me you're gay.  Why do you feel the need to shove it down my throat?"  

Comment by Grinning Cat on May 9, 2017 at 5:25pm

Bertold, that sounds just like arguments I heard when I was a kid, discouraging interracial male-female couples from marrying and having children because their children would be harassed. (And their children wouldn't have a clear identity and heritage, etc.)

 

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