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Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on March 12, 2011 at 1:51pm

The Michael Voris VIDEO.

I see this a little differently. I see the message here as intertwined with the Catholic doctrine of suffering. (Which has a HUGE class bias, but that's another discussion!!). So, I think the point here is that the homosexual, as created by God, is to be admired more for his/her special burden of suffering. This is not humanism, it might be humanitarian, and it is quasi liberal. At least, the sermon is not rejecting or condeming. Compared to a reactionary doctrine of sin and condemnation and assersation of power (like right wing Opus Dei), this is liberal. This is closer to the compassion and charity branch of theoloty, like the left wing Catholic Workers. But I don't have to like it. As a non-theist, I too find it duplicitous, but not contradictory within the logic of faith in suffering. I think we can all see here a reason why many of us strayed from the faith to a more naturalist and Epicurean philosophy of life.
  -- Gary

Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on March 12, 2011 at 1:34pm
Put the Old Testament Biblical injunctions against homosexuality in context. These came from ancient sheepherder near pre-agricultural tribal societies that were very keen on proscribing anything that didn't promote a high birthrate for their tribe. Personally I could care less. The Bible is not my guide book and I don't think it should be anyone's ultimate guide book or final authority, not even for theists. But as intelligent, well read critical minded people we should keep the historical in perspective and not be pure literalists ourselves. There are two loving relationships that stand above all other relationships in the Bible as based on love and free choice over pre-arranged marriages or marriages for power. These are David and Jonathan, and Ruth and Naomi. That should tell us something about the cultural and political norms of marriage at the time. - Gary
Comment by dr kellie on March 12, 2011 at 11:35am
That video is unbelievable.  I was just talking to my best friend about one of my exes, who was from Belfast and a 2% Catholic.  I recall her worrying about going to hell for being gay.  Her "strategy" was that when she got older, she would stop being gay and go to confession.  I'm not making this up.  It is a good thing she was cute, because if she had not been I would have dropped her on the spot for that nonsense.
Comment by dr kellie on March 12, 2011 at 8:58am
Ding, dong, the bitch is dead!
Comment by Cynical Drake on March 11, 2011 at 11:23pm
and to think... this was a safe haven for athiest lgbt's
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on March 5, 2011 at 12:07pm

petition for rights of LGBT Africans

 

LGBT Africa

ns are subjected to threat of extortion and violence every day -- even from friends and family members.

Tell the governments of Cameroon, Ghana, Malawi, Nigeria and Zimbabwe that LGBT people have the right to live free of fear.

petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/445/759/082/?z00m=19946747

Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on March 5, 2011 at 9:13am

just asking

 

How many more teenage suicides and murders of gay people will it take for people to realize that sometimes free speech rights should require a means test of consequences? If public speech is potentially destructive of a targeted groups integrity, should it be curbed? Do people have the right to falsely yell fire in a crowded theater?

The absolutist interpretation of the right to free speech is not one held by Germany or Great Britain, where there are laws against public defamation of social groups.

Is this another example of the social norm of acquiescence to religion and religious dogma regardless of the consequences for the physical and psychological safety of individuals?

The Westboro Church is a small fringe group (probably numbering in the 10's of those who participate) whose ideas are not even taken seriously by mainstream respectable Christianity. But so were the Nazi's at one time a tiny but loud fringe group.

  - - Gary

NEWS:

Westboro Baptist Church Promises To 'Quadruple' Down On Protests After Supreme Court Ruling

A leader of the Westboro Baptist Church told reporters Wednesday that the congregation would "quadruple" the number of funeral protests in the wake of a ruling by the Supreme Court, which found that their controversial demonstrations were protected by the First Amendment, ABC News reports.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/02/westboro-baptist-church-su...

Comment by dr kellie on March 1, 2011 at 10:23am

Good point, Biped.

 

How about an article about why black people should have separate schools? 

Comment by dr kellie on March 1, 2011 at 8:09am
@James M.- Uh, someone is a fag. 
Comment by James M. Martin on February 28, 2011 at 6:47pm

Withers: High school column calls for no gay dating

By James Withers, contributing editor, 365Gay Blog 02.25.2011 8:29am EST

Those kooky, crazy Kansas children. A Wichita high school newspaper published a column that will elicit tears of joy from the editor of that Ugandan rag Rolling Stone.

The February 11 opinion piece, written by East High School student Colin Johnson, proclaims gay relationships  “just are not normal” and “should be frowned upon.” The commentator decided to prove this by using my favorite Leviticus line about men, knocking boots, and death. He ends the op-ed by arguing same sex dating is counter to a school’s educational mission.

“Same sex dating in high school is not accepted by many, despite the efforts of a few. It is a social disruption in many cases, and should be kept out of school to ensure our educational mission with as little of a distraction as possible.”

He doesn’t say how a school should  keep young mo’s from dating. I’m assuming he doesn’t want his LGBT peers stoned, but Johnson is vague on that point.

The editors, and faculty advisor, of the Messenger have been working overtime to defend themselves.

“We don’t necessarily agree or disagree. It’s one person’s personal opinion,” said editor Jessica Thomas (there are two others). “But just because something can possibly be offensive does not mean we have the obligation to block the publishing of that material.”

The newspaper’s faculty advisor thought the column fell under protected speech; the district is stoutly defending the newspaper’s decision to give Johnson space to foolishly ruminate.

“Mr. Johnson’s piece is the expression of his opinion, a right afforded to him and all students through the First Amendment and the Kansas Student Publications Act, which specifically notes that ‘material shall not be suppressed solely because it involves political or controversial subject matter,’” the district argued in a statement.

Sounds sensible, unless you think some opinions don’t deserve to be heard.

 

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