LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

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LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

Members: 17
Latest Activity: 8 hours ago

Forum is now open for comments only, due to limited moderation.

The original creator has been absent 8 years.  She may no longer identify as Lesbian or as Atheist, but could still experience discrimination due to being listed as creator of this group.  This group does come up on internet search with this person, and her photo photo, as group creator.  We live in era when discrimination can be expected to increase on many fronts.

I moderated since that time. On several occasions, I requested that another member moderate, but was unable to find a volunteer who would actively moderate content.

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Daniel W.

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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 2, 2016 at 12:46pm
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 2, 2016 at 12:34pm

Loren - terrifying is the word. And if you want to see something even more terrifying, get a load of what Steve Bannon said a couple of years back in a speech to the Vatican:

And as president of the advisory board of the Human Dignity Institute, he [Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke] was also in charge when none other than President-elect Donald Trump confidant and chief strategist Steve Bannon gave a speech at the Vatican in 2014, during which he warned the church to stick to its conservative ideals or face apocalyptic repercussions. “We’re at the very beginning stages of a very brutal and bloody conflict, of which if the people in this room, the people in the church, do not bind together and really form what I feel is an aspect of the church militant, to really be able to not just stand with our beliefs, but to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting, that will completely eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000, 2,500 years,” Bannon said in his address.

I posted this last week, but I don't remember exactly where.

Comment by Loren Miller on December 2, 2016 at 12:00pm

Bertold, the bill you've alluded to in your last post is – and this is not a word I use often or casually – terrifying.  It could effectively walk the social gains of the last half-century back to null with the stroke of a pen.

My only hope is, if that foolish thing becomes law, that there can be a sufficient civil reaction to it to cause those in power to at least rethink their actions.  Sadly, those currently in power mostly don't have the thoughtfulness to rethink much of anything.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 2, 2016 at 11:49am

Neighbors Troll Mike Pence With Rainbow Flags

Patheos -Progressive Secular Humanist

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on November 26, 2016 at 2:42am

Wow! Bertold my head is spinning with how fast the right wing is destroying decades of progress. This would be even worse than 1950, because this would be outright codified national law, not a loose collection of various laws and traditions of hate.

Yes, I can see that a family name might die out in a few generations without laws permitting gay folks to adopt or have surrogate-assisted kids. Thanks for sharing. I'm bi but chose to not have kids because of an inherited birth defect and type 2 diabetes from my mother's side. My not very bright siblings made up for my choice by way over-producing.

Comment by Daniel W on November 26, 2016 at 12:31am

I don't know if i should put something personal here, but I will.  What is it with my family?  My gaydar tells me that of 6 kids (brother, cousins, me)  in my generation, at least 3 were/are gay (one is dead but maybe just mentally ill and not gay)  and one is maybe asexual.  Of the next generation, the oldest is a college freshman and just came out of the closet on Facebook.  No wonder my name is so rare.  My grandfather had 3 sibs who lived to adulthood, but only he married and had kids himself (3) and I wondered about one of those.  No wonder my name is so rare.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on November 16, 2016 at 5:13pm

Here we go, back to the past.

HOLY WAR
The GOP’s Anti-LGBT, Anti-Women ‘Religious Freedom’ Law on Steroids
The First Amendment Defense Act would allow hospitals, governments, universities, and businesses to ignore same-sex marriage, deny women healthcare, and fire gay people.

Comment by Daniel W on November 7, 2016 at 8:33am

GC, we'll see if McMullin wins anything.  Western states can be hard to fathom some times.  There is s strong conservative streak of antigovernmentalism and anti-Wash DC in particular. 

To get away from anything related to the USA's egotistical and self absorbed shallow election politics, and look at Catholicism's egotistical and self absorbed shallow bigotry...

Italian priest blames earthquakes on acceptance of gay unions.  The surprisingly nice part is "Archbishop Angelo Becciu, number two in the Vatican's powerful Secretariat of State, said Cavalcoli's comments were "offensive to believers and disgraceful for non-believers", in remarks reported by Italian media."

Not everyone thinks the Italian quakes are due to increasing accceptance of Sodomites.  In Israel, a lawmaker blamed the quakes on "divine retribution for Italy’s abstention from the recent UNESCO vote ignoring Jewish ties to the Temple Mount".  Jehovah is a busy fella, following these political obscurities.

It's actually the fault of scientists, for inventing plate tectonics.  Without continental drift, there would be no earthquakes.  Except in Oklahoma, but those recent earthquakes really are god's punishment for Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin.

Comment by Grinning Cat on November 2, 2016 at 12:04pm

Ruth sent me an article about an unlikely but not impossible scenario: How Evan McMullin Could Win Utah And The Presidency (FiveThirtyEight.com)

We could have a President McMullin, rather than Clinton or tRump, if:

  1. McMullin wins Utah (getting some electoral votes),
  2. The Electoral College deadlocks (neither tRump nor Clinton gets 270 electoral votes) -- in which case the House chooses the president from among the top three candidates, and the Senate chooses the VP from among the top two.
    In the House, there's one vote per state delegation, majority required; and if they're still deadlocked by Inauguration Day, the vice-president becomes acting president.
  3. tRump loses enough House Republican support that nobody has a majority; and the party that loses in the Senate decides that McMullin/Pence is preferable to having Pence in charge, or that McMullin/Kaine is preferable to Kaine.
Comment by Daniel W on November 1, 2016 at 11:02am

GC, thanks for the comments.  I wish people would just get over it, if they don't like gay marriage then they should not gay marry.  And leave the rest of us alone.

Meanwhile in the news, you may know thatin Utah there is a conservative man Evan McMIllan, running mainly against Trump, and he has a fair chance of winning the vote there.  So now a White Nationalist Trump supporter has bought robocalls claiming McMIllan's mother is Lesbian and he himself is at least a closet case.  Trump has distanced himself from Johnson for his white nationalist sensibilities.

It's just the standard, "They might be gay" or "They are gay" or "Their mother is gay" hate mongering.  Sometimes it works.  The problem for such practices these days is, to a significant degree, most people don't beleive anything that anyone is saying, unless they are people who we support.  Even then I think a lot of us don't beleive anything they are saying, but let them fight lies with other lies, or fight framing and posturing with more framing and posturing.

 

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