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Does Obama's gay advocacy exclude trans

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Betty Bowers on PRIDE

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Gay christians.

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Boycotting Indiana

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Per Right Wing Watch, The Nuts Are Really Coming after the Fruits

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Discrimination by nontheists?

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The Lack Of LGBT Atheists

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Comment by Daniel W on June 4, 2015 at 9:35pm

It's interesting to read opinions about Caitlyn Jenner's public transformation.   Some comments on Hemant Mehta's site (Felaine linked there) transcended the "I am politically correct liberal.  Jenner is a true hero" vs. "I am politically correct conservative.  Jenner is a pervert".  One post read as follows:

"You're not an automatic "hero" just because you join the force, wear a uniform, or identify with a minority group that suffers from oppression.

however, these days? you can be a hero if you're rich, and you write a big, fat check to a group doing actually heroic work. like the Ali Forney center in NYC, where hundreds of trans runaways are sheltered after being kicked out by their (mostly xtian) families.

Ms. Jenner, i'm waiting to call you a hero."

Apparently, Jenner is worth $100,000,000 now.  NYDaily  News estimates her future worth potential as $500,000,000.   Not that there's anything wrong with being super, super, super rich, or with being associated with an exhibitionistic TV show and what amounts to an empire of exhibitionision, cheapening American culture more than it already was, and talented only at making people look at them even more and make them even richer.

Jenner identifies as a conservative Republican.  She's also apparently rather Christian.   "He was regularly spotted with his wife at their former non-denominational Christian church, Calvary Community Church in Westlake Village, California.1 Now, he joins her at the church she (and presumably he as well) help to fund, the Life Change Community Church, also a non-denominational Christian congregation."  Not that there's anything wrong with being Republican or Christian, but none of those identifiers place her as any kind of supporter for the LGBTI community, other than by simply existing and "look at me".

So to me, this seems like a mind-bogglingly rich person, whose family makes a living saying "look at me", who did become who she really was, which of course is a very big deal and that's wonderful no matter how rich and conservative you are.  But, she doesn't seem to be supporting or fighting for anyone, and reallhy - how is she taking a risk, where is the character? - and stands to become even richer by further saying "look at me".  It's impressive, what the surgeons and make-up artists have done, converting someone who was phenotypically and older man, with a lot of really sun damaged skin, into a rather ravishing cover-woman, an elegant movie-type diva, with an amazing feminine face, beautiful skin, and breasts more full and lush than Kim Kardashian's. 

- I'm just a grouchy old curmudgeon.

Comment by sk8eycat on June 4, 2015 at 9:27pm

I wonder how many people knew Susan B. Anthony said that when they put her image on a coin...with IGWT on the other side.  (I did.) Tee-hee!

@Pat....I like to eff-off the morons and Jeehoover's Witlesses when they come to the door, but my sister lives with me, is a JW, and will talk about their imaginary friend with anyone.  That's how she became a JW in the first place....she also has Asperger's syndrome, and has never had any real friends she can call up or email just to chat.  Ever. Even her Avon lady is a JW....

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on June 4, 2015 at 7:09pm

Amen to that, Pat!

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
--Susan B. Anthony

Comment by Pat on June 4, 2015 at 6:41pm

Felaine, you're correct in stating that the self-ordained, high school drop out, don't have a GED, all knowing interpreters of the Big Book of Jewish and Christian Fairy Tales will tell you what their imaginary friend wants.

However, I always like to 'eff' with the true believers. When they start on their BS about what the magic man in the sky wants, I ask them if they know the mind of their deity. Of course, they say no one can know. Which leads me to my next question. Then how in the f*&k do you have the gall to tell me what it wants!?

Comment by sk8eycat on June 4, 2015 at 5:03pm

Hemant Mehta on xian criticism against Caitlyn Jenner:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/06/04/yes-emily-c...

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It always amazes me that self-appointed buybull interpreters just know what their imaginary friend thinks about everything.

Comment by Grinning Cat on May 25, 2015 at 9:24pm

Hear, hear! And we can often influence our natures for the better, as with people and groups moving towards a more Partnership-Culture society.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 25, 2015 at 7:06pm

I think if a whole lot of people told their stories of leaving religion for other principles, whether rabid radicals or quiet folks, more people would hear our stories. Some would resist hearing us, or call us names, or empower the radical conservatives to put their vitriolic nature into high gear. It doesn't matter. Being vocal is what it will take for those who are non-believers to find each other and celebrate our point of view.  Those who are afraid to listen to us may get a seed of an idea of what it means to be free of dogma and domination. 

Living in the forest, as I do now, and observing the soils being disturbed as we take down trees to prevent fire to our buildings, I see young shoots coming up where once had been a forest. There are roses, Oregon Grape, Lupin, all kinds of wild grasses and young coniferous sprouts springing forth. They don't have to pray or hear the word of some higher power. They just live, vigorously, and with a promise to bring forth their flower or shrub or tree as is their nature.

We don't have to pay or hear the word of some higher power. We have all that we need to become who we are. No one to instruct us or coerce us into obedience. We can observe the forest regrowing into its nature just as each one of us can be a participant observer as we each develop into whatever is our nature.

Comment by Grinning Cat on May 25, 2015 at 5:41pm

A graphic by Rebecca Gardner: (click to enlarge)

I WILL PRAY. FOR EQUALITY!

Comment by The Flying Atheist on May 25, 2015 at 5:13pm
Yes, Loren, let's hope that wish comes true. With the latest Pew survey results about religion that I know we are all familiar with by now, it certainly is the trend. It's also nice to see people who are moving to the US from South and Latin America where the RCC still has a major stronghold, are much less religious. They are part of a large population trend that will benefit our own hyper-religious population.
Comment by Loren Miller on May 25, 2015 at 2:24pm

Responding to the Vatican's pouting:

So ... the church is upset because gay and Lesbian couples may avail themselves of 21st century technology and medical services in pursuit of their own families.  Meanwhile, the RCC wants to continue living in the 15th century and appears to be confused and distraught at so many not wanting to join them.

More and more, the catholic church seems to be working harder to make themselves totally irrelevant to the people they think they're serving.  They may just get their wish.

 

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