LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

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LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

Members: 17
Latest Activity: Oct 10

Forum is now open for comments only, due to limited moderation.

The original creator has been absent 8 years.  She may no longer identify as Lesbian or as Atheist, but could still experience discrimination due to being listed as creator of this group.  This group does come up on internet search with this person, and her photo photo, as group creator.  We live in era when discrimination can be expected to increase on many fronts.

I moderated since that time. On several occasions, I requested that another member moderate, but was unable to find a volunteer who would actively moderate content.

Please be aware, posts left active on this group, especially discussion forum, can be hazardous to members, even ones who have been gone for many years.  In most states and countries, there is no protection for LGBT people regarding employment, housing, or employment.  The same is true regarding atheists.  Some members may not even be aware of discrimination, and may not be aware that their old posts and images are still there to come back and haunt them.  Posts and the membership list are visible on internet searches.

There has been at least one case of a member of Atheist Nexus experiencing employment discrimination due to their membership. 

Another member of Atheist Nexus was murdered in India, in 2011 (Ajita Kamal).  As far as I can tell, the perpetrator and motive were never found, but Kamal was a known atheist, and known atheists are frequently targeted for brutal killings in South Asia.

Any member who posts, without having their own photo or name on their screen name and avatar, is expressing implied agreement, by default, about the importance of privacy, even on the internet.

A controversial group needs an active moderator, who will look out for the needs and safety of the members, as much as possible in such a forum.

As has recently been done, posts on Atheist Nexus are subject to screenshots.  They are also be subject to internet search.

I recommend that interested members start a new LGBT group, so that there is no issue with long absent group creator and no longer having a moderator.  Until that time, this group is open for a rolling comment wall.  I am not able to expire comments without closing the entire comment page, due to host program (Ning) limitations on moderation.

Daniel W.

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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 25, 2017 at 5:01pm

There's an excellent book on this, Galileo's Middle Finger by Alice Dreger. Amazon's blurb:

An impassioned defense of intellectual freedom and a clarion call to intellectual responsibility, Galileo’s Middle Finger is one American’s eye-opening story of life in the trenches of scientific controversy. For two decades, historian Alice Dreger has led a life of extraordinary engagement, combining activist service to victims of unethical medical research with defense of scientists whose work has outraged identity politics activists. With spirit and wit, Dreger offers in Galileo’s Middle Finger an unforgettable vision of the importance of rigorous truth seeking in today’s America, where both the free press and free scholarly inquiry struggle under dire economic and political threats. This illuminating chronicle begins with Dreger’s own research into the treatment of people born intersex (once called hermaphrodites). Realization of the shocking surgical and ethical abuses conducted in the name of “normalizing” intersex children’s gender identities moved Dreger to become an internationally recognized patient rights activist. But even as the intersex rights movement succeeded, Dreger began to realize how some fellow progressive activists were employing lies and personal attacks to silence scientists whose data revealed uncomfortable truths about humans. In researching one such case, Dreger suddenly became the target of just these kinds of attacks. Troubled, she decided to try to understand more—to travel the country to ferret out the truth behind various controversies, to obtain a global view of the nature and costs of these battles. Galileo’s Middle Finger describes Dreger’s long and harrowing journeys between the two camps for which she felt equal empathy: social justice activists determined to win and researchers determined to put hard truths before comfort. Ultimately what emerges is a lesson about the intertwining of justice and of truth—and a lesson of the importance of responsible scholars and journalists to our fragile democracy.
Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 25, 2017 at 4:06pm

Daniel, one of the big problems with people is that they think in such binary, black and white terms.  People are lazy thinkers, and when a subject falls outside their preconceived parameters, they shut down and dismiss it.  This is why these types of complex issues fester for so long without due recognition and discussion.  People don't like thinking outside their comfort zone.  In the meantime, the affected group needlessly suffers.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on July 25, 2017 at 3:06pm

Daniel, thanks for the comments. I had no idea 1.7% of people were born intersexed.

Comment by Daniel W on July 25, 2017 at 3:00pm

It's probably not an accurate sampling, but the handful of intersex patients, who I cared for, were all traumatized with lasting effects well into adulthood.  I think it's at least as bad as society's treatment of other LGBT people.

I don't know why, but I am guessing that to be intersex, is to violate the canard that god made all creatures as either female or male, and that sexuality is concordant with god-given sexual phenotype.

You can sort of argue that to be gay, Lesbian, or Intersex are psychological, and deviation from god-created norms for one's anatomical destiny.  You can not argue that intersex anatomic variations are psychological, or that intersex people are willfully disobeying god, by just existing.

So they have to be surgically forced into a role, and it that role is wrong for who they are, or if it injures them physically resulting life-long pain and dysfunction, well that's just tough.

It's kind of similar to what I thought about race in my racist Baptist church when I was in high school.  OK, blacks only marry blacks, whites only marry whites, East Asians only marry East Asians, but what about someone who is part one and part another.  Who do they marry?  And can East Asians marry South Asians or SouthEast Asians?  Where do you draw the line?  "Danny, you ask too many questions!  Stop that!"

Who does a Christian say that an intersex person can marry?  And legally, what should their driver's license and birth certificate state?

Comment by Loren Miller on July 25, 2017 at 2:40pm

It seems to me that the whole business of indiscriminately removing healthy testes on children whose physiology may be sexually indeterminate needs to be STOPPED ... and ANY intervention, especially with sexually immature subjects needs to be thought through and examined one hell of a lot more thoroughly than it has been to date.

On top of that, it's well past time that data on intersexed individuals needs to be gathered so that a better understanding of their physical and psychological needs can be developed and promulgated to the medical community.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 25, 2017 at 2:19pm

I may have posted this video before but I'm not sure.

Comment by Daniel W on July 25, 2017 at 2:07pm

from the Reuters link: "Some 1.7 percent of the world's population, or 127.5 million people, is thought to be born intersex, according to the report."

Comment by Daniel W on July 25, 2017 at 2:05pm

Ban genital surgery on intersex children.

Intersex people are the most forgotten and ignored og the LGBTQI crazy quilt of people, but there are many out there whose mistreatment left them physically and mentally wounded for life.  It is no better than religious based genital mutilation.  LGBT activists so fully forget intersex people, they are rarely mentioned.

Reuters

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 24, 2017 at 10:25pm

Worship A Gay Martyr At The Oscar Wilde Temple

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Lovers of Oscar Wilde will have soon a proper place to worship the iconic Irish wit and writer.

Artist duo David McDermott and Peter McGough, better known as McDermott & McGough, will unveil the Oscar Wilde Temple, a public installation two decades in the making, in New York this fall.

Presented in collaboration with the New York LGBT Center and the Church of the Village, the installation will combine painting, sculpture, and site-specific elements designed to transport visitors back to the time of Wilde’s 1882-83 visit to America.

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Comment by Plinius on July 21, 2017 at 2:23am

You're right, Daniel, friends and partners come in all shapes and colours. The only people that truly disgust me are immoral people, but that's perhaps a sign of growing older. 

 

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