LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends


LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

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Gender Identity and Sustainability

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Oct 26. 0 Replies

Epigenetics and sexual orientation

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Oct 8. 0 Replies

Gaydar doesn't exist and it's bad?

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Daniel W Sep 13. 2 Replies

Homophobia as pathology

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 11. 0 Replies

The Trans Issue

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Denise Deiloh Sep 3. 4 Replies

Does Obama's gay advocacy exclude trans

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 27. 5 Replies

Betty Bowers on PRIDE

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Daniel W Jun 5. 1 Reply

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Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on July 6, 2012 at 11:42pm

LGBT Human Rights, International Perspective

This web site has an internationalist LGBT perspective and takes human rights seriously.

check it out. All Out . org 

Several ongoing campaigns to keep repression in check.

  - Gary

Comment by Daniel W on July 5, 2012 at 9:03pm

via, linked above

  NOW I understand.

Comment by Daniel W on July 3, 2012 at 9:21am

These Taiwanese cartoons are so funny. Anderson Cooper comes out to help CNN's ratings?


Comment by Daniel W on July 3, 2012 at 9:20am

Sandi, that's true!  Can't wait fro NOM to start a boycott of microsoft!  I'm sure!

Comment by Sandi on July 3, 2012 at 8:06am

Bill Gates, Microsoft Founder, Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO, Each D...

While an awesome gesture, $100k for Bill is like me giving a dollar to a homeless guy.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 2, 2012 at 11:27pm

Great video from Singapore!  Religion will NEVER succeed in stifling our pride and soaring spirit. 

Comment by Daniel W on July 2, 2012 at 11:00pm

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Comment by Daniel W on July 1, 2012 at 4:53pm


I agree on scientists.  As someone who has BS, MS, and PhD (as some called it, "bullshit, more shit, pile high and deep") in microbiology / biochemical engineering, I can tell you that scientists are all too human.  Including myself.  Also during my science education (70s, 80s), there was no lack of homophobia among the biologists, biochemists, chemists, and engineers who I was around.  I think there was a greater prevalence of LGBT people in grad school, compared to the general population, when I did that.  My thought is that the indentured servitude of being a grad student does not make for happy hetero family life.  But then again, I always felt outside and disposable.  But then again, that indentured servitude, with long chaotic hours and lack of access to "gay life" (or "real life") probably kept me out of situations, at the time, that would have kept me from living this long.

Comment by Dominic Florio on July 1, 2012 at 4:16pm

You are absolutely correct. In fact, in many species which live in groups, fertile offspring and other relatives are discouraged from breeding.  Breeding occurs among the high ranking members, while the rest of the family helps to raise the next generation.  "It takes a village."

It is only when those who break out to find mates and form their own groups, are allowed to breed.  Meerkats, wolves, African dogs and gerbils are a few of the species which live in this manner.  There are also species of birds where older siblings help to raise the newest arrivals.

In humans, having gay relatives to help raise your young is a biological advantage as well as enabling the gay person to pass on his genes through nieces and nephews.

The problem with some scientists is that they are human, so they carry their personal prejudices with them.   

Comment by Daniel W on July 1, 2012 at 3:14pm

Dominic, I agree with what you say.


I would also add that the canard about having same-sex orientation, either exclusive or partial, being anti-evolutionary is so tiresome it's hard to read.  Many social animal communities (hives) have members who are not intended or able to reproduce.  Think of a bee hive - the vast majority of the bees are nonreproductive.  Other eusocial species (species in which the community is the reproductive unit, rather than all individuals) include naked mole rat, Damaraland mole rat, some wasps, ants, and termites.  They all evolved that way, and they don't have little Mole rats marching around saying "God hates nonreproducing mole rats".


Other than naked mole rates, I doubt that there is any other species as social as Homo sapiens, which can have literally millions of inhabitants in a single colony.  So what if not all individuals reproduce?  Does it matter if a few don't pump out babies when there are millions of babies to be fed?


The loss of a minority of genes from the human gene pool due to lack of 100% reproductive effectiveness has not stopped the species from overtaking the planet.  If fertility was such an issue, why do we kill hundreds of millions in war and enslavement/genocide?  Humans are doubtless the most fecund mammal, and certainly the most fecund primate, in the current geological era.


Back to the social species, there is evidence for reproductive advantage of genes that result in gay males.  The situation for Lesbians is more complex.  For gay men, there is evidence that the genetic traits of the mother, which result in greater liklihood of gay sons, make the mother more fertile.  In addition, the presence of the nonreproductive son can result in more return of resources back into the family or origin, rather than the son striking out on his own for his own family - the gay brother or uncle who helps care for their nieces/nephews or siblings.


I agree that same-sex sexual activity is observed in many species, documented and displayed in videos for anyone to see.  Whether that activity is exclusive, or situational, or opportunistic, doesn't matter - they do it, different species likely do it for different reasons, and all species that are here, have reproduced effectively pending the next geological or environment disaster.


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