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Ruth sent me an article about an unlikely but not impossible scenario: How Evan McMullin Could Win Utah And The Presidency (FiveThirtyEight.com)
We could have a President McMullin, rather than Clinton or tRump, if:
GC, thanks for the comments. I wish people would just get over it, if they don't like gay marriage then they should not gay marry. And leave the rest of us alone.
Meanwhile in the news, you may know thatin Utah there is a conservative man Evan McMIllan, running mainly against Trump, and he has a fair chance of winning the vote there. So now a White Nationalist Trump supporter has bought robocalls claiming McMIllan's mother is Lesbian and he himself is at least a closet case. Trump has distanced himself from Johnson for his white nationalist sensibilities.
It's just the standard, "They might be gay" or "They are gay" or "Their mother is gay" hate mongering. Sometimes it works. The problem for such practices these days is, to a significant degree, most people don't beleive anything that anyone is saying, unless they are people who we support. Even then I think a lot of us don't beleive anything they are saying, but let them fight lies with other lies, or fight framing and posturing with more framing and posturing.
If someone -- "patient zero" or not -- knowingly spread a horrible disease to other people, selfish recklessness is exactly the right term!
Bertold, very well said! Especially in view of one well-known world religion forbidding its authority figures from marrying or having sexual relationships -- it's ironic and backwards that supposedly celibate priests and bishops give advice and issue dicta on marriage! The analogy extends equally well to people who love cookies but hate donuts, and don't want to see anyone else eating them.
I was glad to see this graphic of mine (unfortunately still relevant post-Obergefell) show up in a few other places on the web:
Kathy, Ive seen several articles about Degas. I have a hard time thinking about someone who had clear symptoms of a horrible disease, knowingly spreading it to others. He wasnt patient zero after all, but I dont like what looks like his denial and selfish recklessness.
Amen, Spud! (In the original sense, "Hear, hear! I believe it!" No spooks needed.)
A much better question than "What does God want? What makes God happy?" -- when the universe, and our planet, and human and other life look exactly as we'd expect with no gods -- is "What's best for us? What makes us happy?" Hopefully with a broad view of "us" that includes all of our fellow human beings.
Reposting a comment of Joan's:
GC, I was saddened that Josh still believed in the mormon god. Hopefully, he will come to realize that god doesn't exist.
Daniel, I had the same thought: "Now can it give them their lives back?"
Josh's Afterlife Analogy was good until he said he still has faith that god will give him what makes him happy. That's something that was never taught when I was mormon. They say the only way to be happy is to have many wives pumping-out billions of children.
Of course, they may have changed their tune in the last 30 years. They tend to do that to keep the money rolling in.
Interesting how "virgins" is most often associated with women!
Maybe Josh will realize that such a god -- whose afterlife of "perfect happiness" would make him, and millions of other gay men and lesbians, miserable -- is simply not worth following and worshiping and obeying. (But an official Mormon website wouldn't cover that!)
Of course, if an all-powerful god were so opinionated about our attractions and sexualities, he could turn everyone straight in heaven. If all those premises were true, he could just as easily have turned everyone straight here in the actual world. Hasn't happened.
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