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Comment by Daniel W on February 12, 2015 at 8:29am
NOM's spokestrolls and contributors are just vile. Im sure they are gearing up for a big mendaceous campaign. I will try not to watch too closely - I cant change what they do. They make Catholicism look bad. Not that it's difficult to do that.
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 12, 2015 at 8:04am

Note again the language of NOM's attempt to channel Martin Luther King in support of bigotry:


we will march for a true and just cause, for the civil right of Americans to enjoy the benefits of natural marriage, the union of one man and one woman, the foundation of society and the cradle of civilization.


Religion Digest published an article today by Eric Miller [WILL “RIGHTS” CLAIMS TIP THE SCALES AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE?] that's a bit disturbing in this regard. It's worth reading in its entirety, but the main point is that conservatives have come to the realization that framing discourse in the language of "rights" amounts to a cloak of invisibility for extreme candidates and positions, and ultimately an invitation to lie.


For years, same-sex marriage supporters have successfully framed the debate in terms of the “right to marry” and “marriage equality.” Rights and equality are the trump cards of political liberalism, and these are arguably the two most potent frames in American political discourse. Supporters of traditional marriage have lacked a counter-argument that could stand up to these effective declarations. Arguments regarding tradition, nature, and children seemed to lose to those of rights, especially for the young who are more susceptible to rights frames. Recently, however, activists have been reframing their support for traditional marriage using the language of rights, arguing that children have the “right to have both a father and a mother.” Some recent research suggests that this might be effective.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 12, 2015 at 7:31am

No wonder the big guy's so ugly!

Ya gotta love the Alabama GOP lionizing St. Clarence Thomas for what he does best - being a dick.

Comment by Grinning Cat on February 12, 2015 at 12:39am

Bertold, marriage equality and nondiscrimination laws, etc., do threaten one thing: some people's perception that their religious traditions and dogma are obviously right because even the civil government is going along with them.

Anyway, I just read that the Alabama Republican Party chairman unwittingly wrote one true statement in his diatribe against same-sex marriage, after a federal judge struck down Alabama's ban on same-sex marriage as unconstitutional:

"We have made God in our image."

Comment by sk8eycat on February 11, 2015 at 6:58pm

Daniel, you could dress as the guy in the parable about the man who was to marry 10 virgins on the same night.  IF you can find 10 genuine virgins to go along with the joke....

Comment by Daniel W on February 11, 2015 at 5:04pm
So far NOM has consistently failed. Their lues are obvious. I suspect they will have minimal if any impact in SCOTUS either way. Their main benefit in doing that is attention and money.

Next will kkk march for the civil right of white people to marry white people?
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 11, 2015 at 4:55pm

So true, Carl. I've yet to hear a coherent answer to how same sex marriage "threatens" any other marriage. The California judge said it best - "There's no such thing as gay marriage, there's just marriage, and everyone is entitled to it."

Comment by The Flying Atheist on February 11, 2015 at 4:09pm

"...we will march for a true and just cause, for the civil right of Americans to enjoy the benefits of natural marriage, the union of one man and one woman, the foundation of society and the cradle of civilization."

These idiots are marching for the civil rights and benefits that they already enjoy.  No one has taken anything away from them!

Comment by Daniel W on February 11, 2015 at 3:49pm
I would LOVE to go to the march. I want to dress as my favorite upright biblical man of god, and hold up a sign stating "i support bible based marriage". I could be Abraham, and have companions dressed as Sarah and Hagar, ot Lot and have companions dressed as his 2 daughters; David surrounded by dizens of wives, ditto for Solomon. Was it Isiah with two sister wives?

That would be hilarious and fun! I would not disagree with the protesters- just support them with the true and holy bible rightous examples.
Comment by Grinning Cat on February 11, 2015 at 2:33pm

Thanks for that video, Daniel!

Bertold, "Sanctity of Marriage Alabama", on their Facebook page, is unwittingly demonstrating the parallel between racial discrimination and gender and sexual-orientation discrimination, the parallel they and NOM are denying:

(Left side) In 1963, it was a Civil Rights issue and Alabama was wrong (Right side) In 2015, it is a Moral issue and Alabama is right (Bottom) Those who stand on God's Law will be on the right side of history (Left side background: black-and-white photo of white protesters [in front of Little Rock, Ark. state capitol, c.1959] holding signs, "RACE MIXING is COMMUNISM", "STOP the race mixing - march of the [ANTI]CHRIST".) (Right side background: color photo of about eight protesters holding signs, "PROTECT GOD'S DESIGN FOR MARRIAGE", "MARRIAGE = 1 MAN + 1 WOMAN".) (Left side bible quotes) "God created man in his own image." Genesis 1:27 - "There is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all." Romans 10:12 (Right side bible quotes) "...male and female He created them." Genesis 1:27 - "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22(They're also demonstrating their religiously-based animus, which will look really good to the Supreme Court! :-)

 

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