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LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

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Video "In A Heartbeat" by Jackie-Ross Lavender
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Discussion Forum

Porn site puts North Carolina legislature to shame

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jul 17. 2 Replies

Fascist Anti-Gay Backlash Can Escalate Fast

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 13. 4 Replies

L.A. Pride parade morphs into #ResistMarch

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Andrew Jun 13. 2 Replies

Thanks "Equality State"

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Andrew May 8. 10 Replies

We're targeted by the justice system

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 19. 2 Replies

Research on Chest Binding

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Sep 28, 2016. 1 Reply

First nationwide survey of anti LGBT youth violence

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Aug 27, 2016. 1 Reply

Supported Transgender Kids Do Fine

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 20, 2016. 2 Replies

Religious Colleges get federal pass on discrimination

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 9, 2016. 3 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on December 2, 2016 at 1:42pm

As always, I like to hear about what is happening, and how we can respond to it.  We have challenges, but we are not helpless.  There is a lot to worry about there and I can't deny that I feel it too. Historical precedents suggest that we are in an era of growing authoritarianism.  The media make money and grow influence by making things as scary as possible, too.  But I'm not going to tremble in a corner.  Neither should anyone else.

Im not going to suggest that "They are coming for us" but the history of that is meaningful and tells us what not to do, anyway.  As Martin Niemöller said, "

When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out."

In our day and age, we have mass social medial.  We have ways to speak out.  We have millions of allies.  We need to focus on what matters, and what to give up.  Maybe we  need to be strategic.  Wedding cakes, photo services, and flowers don't matter.  Employment, housing, finances, and other essential services, do matter.  Personal safety matters.  If there is legislation focused on specific groups, everyone should speak out against it. 

Remember - "They" also feel persecuted.  It's wrong, but that's what they feel.  Telling "them" they are evil monsters, will not change how they feel.  Demonstrating common humanity, "we are you" even if we look different, aiming for fairness, and the sense that a most people want to think of themselves as fair and not-evil.  We should also do some introspection to come up with how we have failed, what we can do better, where we should focus. 

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 2, 2016 at 12:46pm
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 2, 2016 at 12:34pm

Loren - terrifying is the word. And if you want to see something even more terrifying, get a load of what Steve Bannon said a couple of years back in a speech to the Vatican:

And as president of the advisory board of the Human Dignity Institute, he [Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke] was also in charge when none other than President-elect Donald Trump confidant and chief strategist Steve Bannon gave a speech at the Vatican in 2014, during which he warned the church to stick to its conservative ideals or face apocalyptic repercussions. “We’re at the very beginning stages of a very brutal and bloody conflict, of which if the people in this room, the people in the church, do not bind together and really form what I feel is an aspect of the church militant, to really be able to not just stand with our beliefs, but to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting, that will completely eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000, 2,500 years,” Bannon said in his address.

I posted this last week, but I don't remember exactly where.

Comment by Loren Miller on December 2, 2016 at 12:00pm

Bertold, the bill you've alluded to in your last post is – and this is not a word I use often or casually – terrifying.  It could effectively walk the social gains of the last half-century back to null with the stroke of a pen.

My only hope is, if that foolish thing becomes law, that there can be a sufficient civil reaction to it to cause those in power to at least rethink their actions.  Sadly, those currently in power mostly don't have the thoughtfulness to rethink much of anything.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 2, 2016 at 11:49am

Neighbors Troll Mike Pence With Rainbow Flags

Patheos -Progressive Secular Humanist

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on November 26, 2016 at 2:42am

Wow! Bertold my head is spinning with how fast the right wing is destroying decades of progress. This would be even worse than 1950, because this would be outright codified national law, not a loose collection of various laws and traditions of hate.

Yes, I can see that a family name might die out in a few generations without laws permitting gay folks to adopt or have surrogate-assisted kids. Thanks for sharing. I'm bi but chose to not have kids because of an inherited birth defect and type 2 diabetes from my mother's side. My not very bright siblings made up for my choice by way over-producing.

Comment by Daniel W on November 26, 2016 at 12:31am

I don't know if i should put something personal here, but I will.  What is it with my family?  My gaydar tells me that of 6 kids (brother, cousins, me)  in my generation, at least 3 were/are gay (one is dead but maybe just mentally ill and not gay)  and one is maybe asexual.  Of the next generation, the oldest is a college freshman and just came out of the closet on Facebook.  No wonder my name is so rare.  My grandfather had 3 sibs who lived to adulthood, but only he married and had kids himself (3) and I wondered about one of those.  No wonder my name is so rare.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on November 16, 2016 at 5:13pm

Here we go, back to the past.

HOLY WAR
The GOP’s Anti-LGBT, Anti-Women ‘Religious Freedom’ Law on Steroids
The First Amendment Defense Act would allow hospitals, governments, universities, and businesses to ignore same-sex marriage, deny women healthcare, and fire gay people.

Comment by Daniel W on November 7, 2016 at 8:33am

GC, we'll see if McMullin wins anything.  Western states can be hard to fathom some times.  There is s strong conservative streak of antigovernmentalism and anti-Wash DC in particular. 

To get away from anything related to the USA's egotistical and self absorbed shallow election politics, and look at Catholicism's egotistical and self absorbed shallow bigotry...

Italian priest blames earthquakes on acceptance of gay unions.  The surprisingly nice part is "Archbishop Angelo Becciu, number two in the Vatican's powerful Secretariat of State, said Cavalcoli's comments were "offensive to believers and disgraceful for non-believers", in remarks reported by Italian media."

Not everyone thinks the Italian quakes are due to increasing accceptance of Sodomites.  In Israel, a lawmaker blamed the quakes on "divine retribution for Italy’s abstention from the recent UNESCO vote ignoring Jewish ties to the Temple Mount".  Jehovah is a busy fella, following these political obscurities.

It's actually the fault of scientists, for inventing plate tectonics.  Without continental drift, there would be no earthquakes.  Except in Oklahoma, but those recent earthquakes really are god's punishment for Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin.

Comment by Grinning Cat on November 2, 2016 at 12:04pm

Ruth sent me an article about an unlikely but not impossible scenario: How Evan McMullin Could Win Utah And The Presidency (FiveThirtyEight.com)

We could have a President McMullin, rather than Clinton or tRump, if:

  1. McMullin wins Utah (getting some electoral votes),
  2. The Electoral College deadlocks (neither tRump nor Clinton gets 270 electoral votes) -- in which case the House chooses the president from among the top three candidates, and the Senate chooses the VP from among the top two.
    In the House, there's one vote per state delegation, majority required; and if they're still deadlocked by Inauguration Day, the vice-president becomes acting president.
  3. tRump loses enough House Republican support that nobody has a majority; and the party that loses in the Senate decides that McMullin/Pence is preferable to having Pence in charge, or that McMullin/Kaine is preferable to Kaine.
 

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