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A TED talk on gay around the world.
Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 29.
Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Sep 28.
Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Aug 27.
Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 20.
Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jun 22.
Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 9.
Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Mar 30.
Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by Susan Stanko Mar 7.
Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by k.h. ky Jan 31.
Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Nov 18, 2015.
So right, Daniel. As the old Mellencamp song goes, "Ain't that America!" Don't Ask, Don't Tell was about as juvenile and absurd a policy as can be imagined, but I guess it was the most Clinton figured he could get.
Bertold, on the "114,000 veterans who were dishonorably discharged for just being themselves" - I remember thinking, when I was honorably discharged, "whew, that was close!" A big weight was lifted off of me. What a horrible way to treat people, especially people who were drafted, or enlisted, to risk their lives and give up their rights, to protect this country that so hated them and deprived them of the liberties they protected.
MW - please don't spam the comment page.
Sorry, but I'm pasting in the Rude 1's entire blog for the day.
Montana KKK chapter to welcome blacks and gays.
"Jimmy Simmons, one of the NAACP representatives who met with Abarr last year, believes he probably is trying to reform. If Abarr holds a peace summit next summer, Simmons said he would "take a strong look" at joining."
Ummm Uhhhh I have no idea what to say. This is where the word "gobsmacked" comes to mind.
I am paranoid about the "American-ness" argument. When religious minorities in the U.S. start holding non-believers and/or lgbtq people up as "immoral" because Mideastern Islamic groups and/or leaders (imams, ayatolahs, and other Moses-like tribal chieftans, the epitome of ruler-priests) claim the we are immoral in our affronts to Allah...I think you can see the implications of such thinking. Truly Hitlerian.
Dear Cat...there was/is NO marriage ceremony (with exchanging of vows and stuff) in the buybull at all. (As far as I know)...just the wine-drinking party at Cana.
A Christian rebutting the "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" argument:
"The Genesis 2 marriage model says nothing about wedding gifts therefore God must be against wedding gifts. Of course, no one believes that and no thinking person would draw that conclusion from Genesis 2." (Rick Brentlinger, from gaychristian101.com)
Similarly, it's just as illogical to conclude that God must be against wedding rings... and against getting married in church... and against adopting children... and against same-sex couples.
Charles P. Pierce comments on the upholding of marriage bans
-----I can hardly wait for the Nine Wise Souls (finally) to weigh in on marriage equality. We will get to hear Antonin (Short Time) Scalia say "sodomy" a lot. John Roberts will seek to excuse himself when the testimony gets too icky. Clarence Thomas will say nothing. And Anthony Kennedy will show up in a white sarong, blindfolded, holding a scale. It ought to be a hoot, it should.The Sixth Circuit Court Of Appeals fast-tracked the issue up the food chain late yesterday, handing down a ruling that upheld bans on gay marriage in four states, reversing lower court rulings on the subject. Because there is now a "split" between the Sixth Circuit and several other federal circuit courts of appeal, the Nine Wise Souls can't duck the issue any more -- not since Judge Jeffrey Sutton, who wrote the majority opinion for the Sixth Circuit, has positioned himself in his arguments as the last person holding back the forces of unchecked Fabulousness.
-----He also quotes the one out of three dissenting judge's statement:
-----The author of the majority opinion has drafted what would make an engrossing TED Talk or, possibly, an introductory lecture in Political Philosophy. But as an appellate court decision, it wholly fails to grapple with the relevant constitutional question in this appeal: whether a state's constitutional prohibition of same-sex marriage violates equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment. Instead, the majority sets up a false premise-that the question before us is "who should decide?"-and leads us through a largely irrelevant discourse on democracy and federalism. In point of fact, the real issue before us concerns what is at stake in these six cases for the individual plaintiffs and their children, and what should be done about it. Because I reject the majority's resolution of these questions based on its invocation of vox populi and its reverence for "proceeding with caution" (otherwise known as the "wait and see" approach), I dissent.
Then what about the parable about the seven virgins who were all going to be married to the same man on the same night? What did all those extra women do while their husband was busy elsewhere? I have read in several different books and articles that in plural/polygamous families that the women usually formed special attachments to one or more of their "sister-wives."
And then there was Solomon and his 300 wives and 700 concubines.....the harem guards may have been gelded, but what about the women?
For that matter, how many wives does the King of Saudi Arabia have right now? Who do they "sleep" with when he's not around?
Hypocrites, all of them.
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