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Betty Bowers on PRIDE

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Gay christians.

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Comment by Daniel W on March 6, 2014 at 2:15pm

GC, I think it's clear to everyone, those laws are just another way to protect prejudice and enshrine discrimination into law. Arguments to the contrary are disingenuous. Using the language they describe, a doctor with "sincerely held" anti-muslim belief could refuse care to a muslim, a catholic nurse could refuse care to baptists, and people could just as well refuse any service - hotel, restaurant, medical, making a sandwich to interracial couples.

So what are the laws about? Republicans using jingoism and scapegoating to further us/them dichotomies and garner political gain.

Comment by sk8eycat on March 6, 2014 at 1:56pm

And if the teabaggers ever get complete control, the sign will also read, "NO (approved) God, No Service," too.

Comment by Grinning Cat on March 6, 2014 at 12:54pm

Jen Sorensen's comic on so-called "Religious Freedom" bills (as discussed in "Theism, Deism...")

"Funny how the concept of 'freedom' applies to business owners but not customers..."

FREE TO CHEW: Some conservatives would allow businesses to refuse service on grounds of 'religious freedom.' (Door sign: 'No shoes, no shirt, no heterosexuality, no service') Funny how the concept of 'freedom' applies to business owners but not customers... [short-haired, flannel-shirt-wearing butch woman holding hands with her partner] 'I just want the freedom to get a @#!* sandwich.' ... or birth-control-needing employees. [woman at computer in office] 'It is my sincerely-held belief that my ovulation cycle should be free from my boss's pre-enlightenment worldview.' Maybe these laws should be the other way around. [Not-Gay Donuts shop with boarded window: 'CLOSED for violations of human dignity', man pointing] 'No respect, no tolerance, no business!'

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 4, 2014 at 2:09pm

Chrissie, thanks for your reply.  You certainly have lived an interesting life, in many ways.  I can't imagine the mental anguish of having a physical body that doesn't correspond to what your mind is telling you.  I'm glad you're finally in a situation these days where you can feel comfortable. 

You sound like an extremely strong-willed person, and I admire you for what you have overcome and accomplished.  As you mentioned in your post below, many people in your situation choose to prematurely end their lives.  It breaks my heart that society can drive us to such extremes. 

Thanks again for participating in the discussions here.  I have to admit, it would be an honor to sit down and chat with you.  --Carl

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 4, 2014 at 12:49pm
Comment by sk8eycat on March 4, 2014 at 1:02am

Chrissie, I second Joan; You MUST write a book.  If you need help, get I good agent (people rarely get published without having an agent.)

Your story is a must-read for the entire world...maybe it will change some people's minds about transgender people, and it will certainly change other people's lives for the better; encourage them to get help earlier, etc.

Bite the bullet and DO it!  We will cheer you on all the way.

In the meantime I'm sending you a big hug...it's the best I can do right now. (and I'll buy your book ASAP!)

{{{{{{{{Chrissie}}}}}}}} From Felaine, the Crazy Cat "Lady" (I'm not really a lady!  More of a crone, or a semi-b*tch.when I put on my "ranty pants" and get carried away.)

LOVE!

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 3, 2014 at 11:05pm

Oh Chrissie, what a story you have to tell. Have you ever considered writing a book about your life, your feelings, your frustrations, hopes and dreams? How you coped? It seems as though you have begun to flourish. You have much to teach us. I just get goose bumps reading your story. 

The thought of you feeling you brought shame on your family wrenches me to tears. What a terrible experience. 

I do hope you find a comfortable place to build community here. This is a good place to rant and to wallow in comfort. Things happen with these fine folks that don't happen very often in real life. Sadly, we are a virtual family, meeting and becoming community over the internet. But, heck, what difference does that make. It is still community!

Comment by Chrissie Farthing on March 3, 2014 at 10:08pm

From my earliest memory I was a girl. My dad vintage 1895 and my mother vintage 1900 did not agree and made things quite painful until I decided to stop bringing shame on the family.  From that time forward I had to learn to keep it to myself.  If you appeared different during the 30 & 40s you were asking for trouble so not only was I in the closet but I was proving to the world that I was a bloke.  I was the Nerd all through school and always the loner.  Spent 13 years in the forces then things got a little close so I left and then wound up in the Air force of Oman and a short stint in the Nigerian Army.  All through that I was still that girl inside but no one would ever guess that about this bad ass bloke that I appeared.

The only person in all that time that I ever came out to was a lovely lesbian girl in Norwich UK and she came out to me.  We sorted it out, got married and that lasted 45 years till her death. That was perfect, we could hide right out in the open. 

So, yes I think being born with a brain that is at a different place to the body that it happens to be in is a horrible situation.  It does not show much on the outside but on the inside it's awful.  People do not accept you and many end their life.  Meeting my Linda was my saving grace but life was hell when I lost her.  I still after 10 years miss her terribly but changing gender finally made life great and I am catching up on all those things that I missed. So, Birth defect, You bet.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 3, 2014 at 9:45pm

Regarding my comment below, I meant to say, your perspective helps make us whole. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 3, 2014 at 9:23pm

Chrissie, I'm very intrigued by something you said below.  "It took a long time and a lot of money to correct that birth defect."  Do you really consider the condition of your birth to be a defect?  To me, that seems to be a rather harsh evaluation of yourself, but I have not been in your same situation.  

Thanks for you words below.  We are all a piece of the pie, and your perspective helps make up whole. 

 

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