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Does Obama's gay advocacy exclude trans

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Betty Bowers on PRIDE

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Gay christians.

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Boycotting Indiana

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Per Right Wing Watch, The Nuts Are Really Coming after the Fruits

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Discrimination by nontheists?

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The Lack Of LGBT Atheists

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Comment by Grinning Cat on June 25, 2013 at 9:59am

On marriage, the Overton window has definitely shifted in a progressive direction. From "The opposition goes silent" (Timothy Kincaid, at Box Turtle Bulletin; emphases added):

I believe that the nation has changed its views on who bears the burden of proof. This is, in many ways, a more important shift than merely those who favor or oppose same-sex marriage; it’s a shift in how the debate is conducted.

[...] we have entered a phase in which one can be “not ready” or “not convinced” or “not yet evolved” on the issue of marriage equality. That’s simply opinion. But to be actively opposed suggests a character flaw, something with a whiff of nastiness and maybe even vile. The public – right and left – seem to have decided that you can support gay marriage or you can not support gay marriage, but you can’t oppose gay marriage any longer.

So more and more, those who can safely be assumed to favor heterosexual superiority simply choose to say nothing. [...] Even George W. Bush, the man most tied to the campaign against equality, decided that he just doesn’t have an opinion anymore.

And today we have another good example.

The Palm Beach Post has an article about activists in Florida beginning a campaign to change minds in that state [...] Translated out of politician speak, [Florida's Republican Gov. Rick] Scott said, “My view on marriage is… ummm… look a squirrel.”

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 22, 2013 at 12:01pm

The New Yorker has an interactive map showing possible results of Supreme Court rulings on DOMA and Prop. 8.

Comment by Daniel W on June 19, 2013 at 5:49pm

Oh well....  guess I had the date wrong for supreme court releases.  I'm speculating they will wait until the last possible minute to release their decisions.

Comment by Daniel W on June 17, 2013 at 9:32pm

Tomorrow is the 2nd to last chance for the Supreme court to release its decisions affecting millions of LGBTI Americans.  I wonder if they will have the courage, moral rectitude, and intelligence, to do the right thing?

Comment by Daniel W on June 13, 2013 at 9:17pm

Carl, Oops.  Not Freutian.  Qwertyian.  

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 13, 2013 at 12:01pm

Here's an article from Reuters claiming the same sex marriage issue will drag on for many more years.  Sadly, I must agree with both you guys, Daniel and Grinning Cat, that we will see only a partial victory from the Supreme Court on the marriage issues. 

This Reuters article is making the same claim.

Analysis: Top court's gay marriage ruling won't be last word

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 13, 2013 at 11:50am

"GC, it wouldn't surprise me if you are tight."

Daniel, is that a Freudian slip or just bad typing?

Comment by Daniel W on June 13, 2013 at 11:07am

GC, it wouldn't surprise me if you are tight.  We still ahve a long way to go for equality for all, and attitudes continue to be fed by animus.

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 13, 2013 at 9:40am

My guess is that the Supreme Court will wimp out on Prop. 8, and rule narrowly that the anti-equal-marriage advocates had no standing, or else that certiorari was "improvidently granted" ("sorry, we shouldn't have taken the case"). I hope for a broader decision affirming equality, but won't count on it.

The many 5/4 ideological splits in recent times emphasize for me that the nomination of Supreme Court justices is one of the most lasting effects a U.S. president can have. (Thank you, everyone who voted for Reagan and the Bushes -- not!)

Comment by Daniel W on June 10, 2013 at 9:08pm

Waiting for the US Supreme Court.  Waiting....waiting....waiting....

My guesses - no more than guesses:

Both LGBT rights cases will be split mainly on ideological conservative/liberal lines, 5/4

DOMA will be overthrown on the basis that Congress illegally took away the rights of the states to define marriage.

California Measure 8 will be upheld, on the basis that the state has the right to define marriage.

Anyone have better analysis?  I've seen several articles.  It's like reading the old reports of what Mao would do, or Dong Zhao Ping would do, behind the Bamboo Curtain.

 

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