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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 20, 2014 at 8:56pm

Felaine, of course I remember the WASPs but not the vivid remembrance of Dorothy Britt Mann by her daughter. Those were interesting times, indeed, and many changes came out of those experiences of women doing men's work when the men were at war, and then returning to women's work at lower pay, power and prestige. 

Chrissie, love your story and how you can use your femaleness to make your point. I am just a wee bit curious, do women have more fun than men? 

"a woman’s place is every place."

Comment by Chrissie Farthing on June 20, 2014 at 8:02pm

Next March I will be attending the reunion of Air Force Pilot Training Class 55 India. In the early 50s there were no female pilots.  As I have been female for a number of years now and pass so well this is going to be fun to show and say no, I am not one of the wives I am one of the pilots. I have the history and now days I just love walking into a male dominated area with full rights to be there but as a woman.  Then when one of them challenges me I let it be known I also served as an officer in several African and Arabian Armed Forces something that most of them didn't have the balls for.  I just love rocking the boat and I am still having fun in my 80s. 

The WASPs were a wonderful bunch and they as well as the Rosy the Riveters were really dumped on when it was over.  I lived near the Navy Yard in Wash. DC and saw how so many ladies in my neighborhood were just told "Go home and don't come back, you are no longer needed"

Comment by sk8eycat on June 20, 2014 at 7:26pm

Joan, about "women's work" and you remember the WASPs, the women who piloted planes from the manufacturers to the delivery points?  When the war ended they were all let go with no severance pay.  Many even had to pay their own bus fare back to their home towns.

KONA, HI ~ If you haven’t heard of the WASP, or Women Airforce Service Pilots, it’s because 65 years ago these brave women who flew non-combat missions for the U. S. Army were unceremoniously disbanded so that male pilots could have their jobs.

In one of his large compensatory gestures, President Obama signed S. 614 last week, a bill awarding my mother and 1,101 other pioneering women the Congressional Gold Medal of Honor for their service during World War II. It soothed an old sting that the WASP and their families could not forget.

And despite the sting, these creative, powerful women broke the glass ceiling anyway, long before Hilary Clinton was even born.

In fact, they soared through the glass ceiling. They crossed the fickle line of social and professional customs which had tried to keep women “in their place,” certainly on the ground. But my Mom, Dorothy Britt Mann, together with her WASP comrades, knew a woman’s place is every place.


Comment by Joan Denoo on June 20, 2014 at 6:21pm

Grinning Cat, you wrote, "for a fossil-fuel-free future, somehow we need to frame supporters of the fossil fuel industries as not just fossils themselves -- people think of fossils as harmless ancient artifacts -- but toxic fossils!

By framing, I assume you mean redefine how it is that we perceive supporters of the fossil fuel industries. 

OK, I am open to ideas, let's have a go at this. What do you suggest? 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 20, 2014 at 5:26pm

Carl, thanks for the great story of Jessica Velez and her ability to set goals and reach them, even if they are not gender assigned. I love her spunk and the energy of her self-competence in the radio interview. 

Would it not be nice to have little boys and little girls follow their interests from their first day in school? The Community College where I taught had a mission statement that stated students would learn sex-appropriate behaviors. In reality, I trained women to find the jobs they wanted and career paths that fit their personalities and provided living wages. Many of my students became long-haul truck drivers, carpenters, electricians.

Some of the war stories they told when they returned to speak to the students who followed them amazed us. For example, one woman got a job as a truck driver. When she stopped for a potty break at a honey bucket, some male truck drivers tipped the bucket over on its door side so she couldn't get out. Another woman who went to work at Kaiser Rolling Mill was shoved into a locker with some rags soaked in acid. These, and other stories of harassment were not uncommon in those days. Some very expensive litigation finely caught the attention of the owners and shareholders and such outrageous behavior ended. 

I know I have told you this story before, but one woman hired as a truck driver of one of those trucks with tires taller than she was had a terrible time with harassment until, by accident, she ran over he state examiner's pick up and smashed it into a pancake. Her co-workers saw her as an asset from that day forward. 

These stories are nothing compared to the Rosie the Riveter stories of WW II. 

I have to add that during WW II, my mother and aunts all had jobs at Kaiser Rolling Mill during the war. They made good wages, had good benefits, and were able to support our families while our fathers were gone. After the war, all the women received "pink slips" and could not get any jobs there that paid living wages. The returning men replaced the women.  

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 20, 2014 at 1:30pm

That is a great story about Jessica Velez, who aspires to be a Navy SEAL!

And Joan, for a fossil-fuel-free future, somehow we need to frame supporters of the fossil fuel industries as not just fossils themselves -- people think of fossils as harmless ancient artifacts -- but toxic fossils!

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 20, 2014 at 1:11pm

This is such a great story about a local Chicago high school student who played on her school's football team, was crowned prom king, and will now be attending the U.S. Naval Academy. 

DNAinfo Chicago

The article doesn't mention or imply her sexuality, but that doesn't matter.  I think the important point to take away from this story is that if society and parents would allow children to pursue who they truly are, without shoving them into specific gender roles, they will prosper.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 17, 2014 at 10:14pm

These are good things, indeed. More diversity in our Judicial system has the potential to put USA on a healthier tack. Now, if we could only get the Legislative branch members off their knees and doing the work of legislating, we could have some hope. 

Of course, the Executive branch needs a strong, progressive, with a vision of a fossil fuel free future. Oh there we have a new motto Power to the 4th dimension: fossil fuel free future! Try to say that fast four time.  

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 17, 2014 at 8:22pm

Great progress continues.  Gay and a man of color.

Senate confirms first openly gay black federal judge


The U.S. Senate on Tuesday for the first time confirmed an openly gay black man to become a top-level federal judge, voting 98-0 to approve President Barack Obama’s choice of Darrin Gayles for a district court in Florida.

***Judge Gayles hails from the midwest: 

Gayles – appointed to the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, one of the nation's busiest federal benches – has served as a Miami-Dade Circuit Court judge since 2011. He was born in Peoria, Illinois in 1966 and earned a law degree from the George Washington University Law School.

***From the same article, even more great progressive news:

By a vote of 52-44, senators also endorsed Obama's pick of Staci Yandle, an openly gay black woman, to serve on a federal district court in Illinois. While that is not a first, the White House said that vote was a milestone because it brought to 112 the number of female federal judges appointed by Obama, more than any previous president. She is the federal bench's second openly lesbian black woman.

In a third roll call, the Senate voted 92-4 to make Salvador Mendoza a federal district judge in Washington state. The White House said Obama has appointed the most Hispanics — 31 — to the federal bench of any president.


These appointments are extremely important because rulings by federal and state judges ultimately have the biggest impact on our everyday lives.  It's great to see the face of our judicial courts becoming more representative of our true population. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 15, 2014 at 2:19am

Joan, I couldn't agree with you more about your assessment of Daniel.  Truer words cannot be spoken of his character. 


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