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Comment by Grinning Cat on June 25, 2013 at 2:01pm

Yes, it's good that the public is starting to realize that the burden of proof lies on the homophobes. There would need to be a valid reason to restrict our marriages or discriminate against us, not just because "tradition!" or "Jesus!" or "man-on-man sex is icky!"

(I also liked that description of a politician avoiding the subject as "oh, look, a squirrel!")

Sentient, I think your guesses that the Supreme Court will invoke states' rights consistently (not just when it suits bible-thumpers), to throw out DOMA Section 3 and to uphold California's marriage ban -- letting states define marriage however they wish -- are quite plausible. I hope for better, maybe even the "seven-state scenario" of "marriage-like rights and responsibilities must be recognized as marriage for all". We'll see.

Whatever happens, it'll remain important to pass an Employment NonDiscrimination Act, which would arguably help a lot more people and continue shifting the window towards unremarkable acceptance.

Comment by Daniel W on June 25, 2013 at 10:40am

I've gone from anticipation and concern, to annoyance and irritation at the Supreme court and their foot dragging on the decisions that affect me and millions of other LGBTI people.

I think I know how the conservatives will  vote - although a conservative point of view, one would think, would honor a state's right to allow 2 people to enter into a marriage contract, and require the federal govt to honor that contract.  I'm no lawyer and I'm no constitutional scholar.

GC I agree with your that the burden of proof lies on the homophobes. 

I like that comment "oh look, a squirrel" which goes along with the press "oooooh, shiney!".

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 25, 2013 at 9:59am

On marriage, the Overton window has definitely shifted in a progressive direction. From "The opposition goes silent" (Timothy Kincaid, at Box Turtle Bulletin; emphases added):

I believe that the nation has changed its views on who bears the burden of proof. This is, in many ways, a more important shift than merely those who favor or oppose same-sex marriage; it’s a shift in how the debate is conducted.

[...] we have entered a phase in which one can be “not ready” or “not convinced” or “not yet evolved” on the issue of marriage equality. That’s simply opinion. But to be actively opposed suggests a character flaw, something with a whiff of nastiness and maybe even vile. The public – right and left – seem to have decided that you can support gay marriage or you can not support gay marriage, but you can’t oppose gay marriage any longer.

So more and more, those who can safely be assumed to favor heterosexual superiority simply choose to say nothing. [...] Even George W. Bush, the man most tied to the campaign against equality, decided that he just doesn’t have an opinion anymore.

And today we have another good example.

The Palm Beach Post has an article about activists in Florida beginning a campaign to change minds in that state [...] Translated out of politician speak, [Florida's Republican Gov. Rick] Scott said, “My view on marriage is… ummm… look a squirrel.”

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 22, 2013 at 12:01pm

The New Yorker has an interactive map showing possible results of Supreme Court rulings on DOMA and Prop. 8.

Comment by Daniel W on June 19, 2013 at 5:49pm

Oh well....  guess I had the date wrong for supreme court releases.  I'm speculating they will wait until the last possible minute to release their decisions.

Comment by Daniel W on June 17, 2013 at 9:32pm

Tomorrow is the 2nd to last chance for the Supreme court to release its decisions affecting millions of LGBTI Americans.  I wonder if they will have the courage, moral rectitude, and intelligence, to do the right thing?

Comment by Daniel W on June 13, 2013 at 9:17pm

Carl, Oops.  Not Freutian.  Qwertyian.  

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 13, 2013 at 12:01pm

Here's an article from Reuters claiming the same sex marriage issue will drag on for many more years.  Sadly, I must agree with both you guys, Daniel and Grinning Cat, that we will see only a partial victory from the Supreme Court on the marriage issues. 

This Reuters article is making the same claim.

Analysis: Top court's gay marriage ruling won't be last word

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 13, 2013 at 11:50am

"GC, it wouldn't surprise me if you are tight."

Daniel, is that a Freudian slip or just bad typing?

Comment by Daniel W on June 13, 2013 at 11:07am

GC, it wouldn't surprise me if you are tight.  We still ahve a long way to go for equality for all, and attitudes continue to be fed by animus.

 

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