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LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

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We're targeted by the justice system

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Daniel W Dec 28, 2016. 1 Reply

Porn site puts North Carolina legislature to shame

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 29, 2016. 1 Reply

Research on Chest Binding

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Sep 28, 2016. 1 Reply

First nationwide survey of anti LGBT youth violence

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Aug 27, 2016. 1 Reply

Supported Transgender Kids Do Fine

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 20, 2016. 2 Replies

Religious Colleges get federal pass on discrimination

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 9, 2016. 3 Replies

Gay Suicide - Art Backfires

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Mar 30, 2016. 6 Replies

Caitlyn Jenner loves Ted Cruz

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Susan Stanko Mar 7, 2016. 15 Replies

Mean Sally says, "Go kill yourself!"

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by k.h. ky Jan 31, 2016. 9 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on January 11, 2017 at 12:37pm

Ruth, I never expected marriage equality, and in decades past would not have devoted emotional capital to the idea.  I just never thought it would happen.  But others who were smarter than I, pushed it forward, and it happened.  For me, the issue with Clinton was not so much that she changed her mind, but that she was so mendacious about it in the first place, making speeches about how marriage had always been, everywhere, for one man and one woman, which we know is bullshit - there are many cultures and civilizations, especially historic, in many places, where marriage was at least a wealthy or prominent man, and his harem - Chinese royalty and upper class, Arab, Hebrew, well documented in the Bible, and various creative arrangements.  It was an outright, self-aggrandizing lie in the beginning.  Then when she flipped, she attacked people who said she flipped, rather than saying, as Obama did, "My thoughts evolved as I learned more".

How the black church uses and abuses its gay members.  This is especially vile for a community that benefited greatly by a gay man who mentored and inspired Martin Luther King Jr, was demonized and ostracized from that movement, Bayard Rustin

This is as if to say, "It's wrong, and evil, to discriminate against, and demonize people like me.  God says it's wrong!  It's right to discriminate against THEM!  God says we should!"

From the article, Burrell's Church of God in Christ "COGIC cannot deny that the church get its Jesus dance on and Amen shouts to a black gay male queer gospel aesthetic every Sunday and no one knows it better than Burrell herself."

Where I get some hope is how fast many were to condemn Burrel's churchly hate speech.

One weird thought, that I won't read too much in, because it's like translating from someone's mind, is that on her sermon and speaking generically to LGBT people, Burrell said "“I love you and God loves you, but God hates the sin in you and me.”  What is the sin in her - is she gay?

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on January 5, 2017 at 3:48pm

I hear you about Clinton's flip, and the Democratic party in general, Daniel. Some there are supportive and many aren't.

Comment by Daniel W on January 5, 2017 at 2:53pm

Terry Gross looks back on her "Fresh Air" interview with Hillary Clinton.  Gross expresses regret that she didn't handle it better.  She is a class act, and was handling Clinton with kid gloves while Clinton went on a mendacious attack mode,  "No, I don't think you are trying to clarify. I think you're trying to say I used to be opposed and now I'm in favor and I did it for political reasons. And that's just flat wrong. So let me just state what I feel that you are implying and repudiate it".  It would have been nice if Clinton had less hubris, and maybe said something like "I believed what I said then, but I was wrong.  I regret that those words hurt LGBT people, and I hope I have gained trust since then by being inclusive and supportive of equal rights for all". 

I remember that interview, and it kind of floored me..

Oh well.  That's done.  The next time a democratic candidate comes ringing at my phone for some dollars, they better be more straightforward about who they are and what they represent.  No scare tactics, and no more Clintons, either.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 28, 2016 at 7:08pm

Franklin Graham, Other Anti-LGBT Clergy Booked for Trump Inauguration

  • A host of anti-LGBT clergy members will participate in Donald Trump’s presidential inauguration, including Rev. Franklin Graham and Archbishop Timothy Dolan.

[The Advocate]

Comment by Daniel W on December 28, 2016 at 12:12pm
Comment by The Flying Atheist on December 14, 2016 at 9:18am

I've often felt as if I belonged on the Island of Misfit Toys.  I've always loved the gay dentist elf.  

Comment by The Flying Atheist on December 14, 2016 at 9:16am

I get so pissed off at these NOM and Brian Brown types.  They try so hard to spread their hate here in the States.  But when they have essentially lost their battle (and public and monetary support), do they get a life and call it quits?  No.  They feel compelled to export their failed ideology and hate abroad.  

My major concern is that they are infiltrating countries which already treat their LGBT communities brutally.  As if these poor individuals didn't have it bad enough already.  I just grieve for what they have to endure.  

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 14, 2016 at 7:14am

Historicity and objective facts are SO twentieth cenetury.

Comment by Daniel W on December 13, 2016 at 10:29pm

Interesting that the social justice left extremists are as fact-phobic as the right wing.  I mean really, is everyone, everywhere, looney toonz?  "many of these students don't believe in either historicity or objective facts. (They denounce the latter as being a tool of the white cisheteropatriarchy.)"  Is the the Salem Witch Trial on acid?

Comment by Daniel W on December 13, 2016 at 10:15pm

Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer is "is totally, absolutely, 100 percent, Neil-Patrick-Harris-French-kissing-Ricky-Martin gay".    I always thought he was some sort of allegory for Jesus or something.  I do admit to having impure thoughts about Yukon Cornelius, when I was young and innocent.

 

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