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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

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Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Daniel W 2 hours ago

Kathy, that's interesting.  I could imagine a few reasons.  Maybe the tallest is the Northern type but is growing in KY, while yours might be the southern type.  Or, yours grew as seedlings from Asian persimmons gone wild.  That has happened.  Or they are a short height variant.  Or the growth and nutritional conditions in your area favor reduced size in the persimmon trees.

Are the fruits good?  I have never eaten pure / wild American persimmons.  I am growing Asian and Asian/American persimmons that are so delicious.  I do have 2 starts of American persimmons, one is healthy looking 7 foot tree, 3 years old, the other is a puny 18 inches, 2 years old, got eaten off by a rabbit but hoping for good growth this year.

Comment by k.h. ky 2 hours ago
Daniel, the largest persimmon tree in ky is 75'. I wouldn't have thought they grew that large compared to the ones I've seen growing wild around here.
Comment by Plinius 6 hours ago

That sounds good, Kathy, large yards in quiet neighbourhoods! I enjoy the countryside enormously but I think I´d feel lost after so many years in apartments.

Comment by Daniel W 8 hours ago

Kathy, that's interesting about the persimmons in KY.  I've read there are two subspecies of American persimmon, one with 60 chromosomes and one with 90 chromosomes.  I suspect the 90s are a 1/2 replication of the 60s.  They do not cross pollinate or hybridize.  The Asian persimmons are also 90s, and those do hybridize with the American 90s.  I THINK the northern ones are the 90s.  Yours might be 60s.  That's my wild guess.

I think small towns might work for me if people were less repressive to people like me.  I was a small town / farm boy.  Cities are too much hustle and bustle.  But I do love my 2 acres.

Comment by k.h. ky 8 hours ago
Chris, I've always preferred town. But I was fortunate to have lived in places with very large yards in quiet neighborhoods.
I had a small garden that produced well. And a strawberry patch that was also productive. I had even planted a blackberry patch and two peach trees but moved before they became mature.
Comment by k.h. ky 9 hours ago
Daniel, the persimmon trees here are small. Not much larger than a dwarf peach tree.
Comment by Daniel W 9 hours ago

A permaculture orchard in Quebec.

At one point he says "honey locust" where I think he means "honey locust" as a nitrogen fixing tree. I planted clover for nitrogen.   He's about 10 times as ambitious as I am.  It's fun to look at.

Comment by Daniel W 9 hours ago

Randy, I know what it's like hauling dirt in wheelbarrows!  I've hauled dozens of loads.  One load at a time, and it's eventually done!

That sounds about like I would do.  I can't seem to avoid planting trees.  Here are some big tree types that I planted in the past 5 years -

American linden

European Linden

Crimson Maple

Norway Maple

Bigleaf Maple

Multiple Ginkgo biloba trees, grown from seeds

Multiple Leyland Cypress at near property line.

And next, those chestnuts.

I think that's about all of the big trees that I'm going to plant, but I've said that before.  It does not include the orchard, which is about 40 fruit trees.  Also, I don't know how big the persimmons will get, whether they count as big trees or not.  They might.

Have you thought about the apple and plum varieties?  Do you have others to provide pollen?

Comment by Randall Smith 11 hours ago

Thanks, all, for the suggestions on what to do with my "bare patch". A greenhouse would be nice, but my kids have 6 of them with all the winter greens I need. The shed in the picture is my wood shed (I built). It used to be the site of a hen house, but I have never wanted animals--chickens or goats, etc.

I'm thinking trees, perhaps 4 of them--fruit and nut. You've got me thinking chestnut. I need a new apple tree and a plum. I don't have an English walnut either.

I've already hauled 30 wheelbarrow loads of dirt with about 10 more to go, I think. I'm getting the dirt from a huge berm mound across the road. It can't be mowed and is/was an eyesore. 

Comment by Daniel W 21 hours ago

Kathy Ive seen that happen with black walnuts and with hazelnuts.  I think chestnuts are even more perishable.

I ordered the trees.  It may take the nursery a few weeks to send them.

 

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