Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Aug 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture Chickens Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 30. 1 Reply

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

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Comment by Annie Thomas on June 15, 2012 at 9:27pm

Tony- What a wonderful post!  I too used to have the yard where plants came to die.  I don't have a green thumb, but I also don't like to lose. ;-)  Gardening for me has been a humbling experience, but I carry on nonetheless.  My rule is that I try growing something three times.  If I fail all of those times, I move on to something else.  The third time I tried to grow broccoli, I was rewarded with plump, healthy looking florets!  I cut them 5 minutes before dinner, steamed them until al dente, and then enjoyed it so much.  My daughter commented, "This doesn't taste like broccoli.  It tastes so much better!" 

There's a big learning curve, and I fail often, but I'm figuring things out.  I'm glad you have friends who share their bounty with you.  Those are my happiest times... when I bring a friend or neighbor something from my garden.  I still can't believe I actually grew something!

Comment by Daniel W on June 15, 2012 at 9:21pm

Tony, thanks for the great observations!  I think for most people gardening isn't toil, it's therapy - but every person has what makes them happy on one person's work is another's fun.  Glad you get to partake of the surplus - in a garden well kept, there's extra to go around!

Comment by Tony Carroll on June 15, 2012 at 9:13pm

I'm not a gardner. Hell, that old saying my place is the place plants come to die describes me pretty well. But I wanted to say something to you all. Thank you very much.

One of the people I work with does grow things, and she brought in fresh picked tomatoes, peppers, and squash today. Picked as she was getting ready to come to work. And less than 5 hours later, I was eating fresh, sliced tomatoes with just a hint of salt and pepper. Nothing else needed. And pardon me, but it was a religious experience (lol)!

Every spring, I wait for this, and it did not dissapoint me. It always takes me back to my Aunt Pats garden, salt shaker in hand, plucking red ripe globes of perfection, wiping them off on my (not very clean) shorts, taking a bite, that sweet, bright, acidic taste, mingled with the earthy smells and plants, insects flying around in the mounting heat.

Sorry guys, but it brings back such vivid, childhood memories of sight, smell, taste, sound. I really just wanted to say thanks to all of you gardeners, potterers, mini-farmers, whatever you claim to be for this bounty you bring to me and others each and every year. As long as you continue to toil, I will gladly help you in my own way (lol).

Again, just thank you. Peace to all, and be well.

Comment by Michael R Mills on June 13, 2012 at 4:02pm

Ah well - couldn't have had chickens in Regent's Park....

Comment by Daniel W on June 13, 2012 at 2:19pm

Michael, the only thing I've found that will eliminate bishopweed is chickens.  I have a space that was covered with the stuff.  I fenced it in and let my hens run amok among the stuff.  The hens completely destroyed it.  Unfortunately, I can't do that in the rest of the yard.  It hasn't crossed some barriers, but areas that I had cleared out are now completely invaded again.  I hate that stuff.  Actually, thinking about it I haven't been feeding it to the chickens lately.  I should go out and pull some for them.  Other than that, I'm doing some mulching that helps a bit, but they sometimes poke through it.

Comment by Daniel W on June 13, 2012 at 2:14pm

Joan, I"m sure you are right about the balloon flower!  It's quite pretty.  If I get a chance I'll save seeds.  I have no idea how it got there - none that I can see around the neighborhood. There are also some very pretty wild geraniums in the yard, which I intentionally leave alone.


That's a great idea about how to pull weeds!

Comment by Michael R Mills on June 13, 2012 at 1:39pm

I doubt anything will crowd out the Bishopweed - I had to fight that in my UK garden, after a previous gardener had planted it in the rockery.

It was a losing battle.

Comment by Daniel W on June 13, 2012 at 1:20pm

That's interesting.  It's almost myositis - muscle inflammation.  They keep spreading and they grow fast.  It will be interesting to see if they crowd out the bishopweed which is my worst invasive weed.  Well, that and scilla.

Comment by Michael R Mills on June 13, 2012 at 1:10pm

Had my neighbors laughing all day.

Comment by Daniel W on June 13, 2012 at 1:06pm

Michael, that Jeans planter is hilarious!


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