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Moving an Established Fig Tree. Delayed post from Nov 2017
Annie, thanks for the lead to Ira Flatow and Steven Strogatz. A great interview. Feynman is one of my heros, a scientist who reflects on the consequences of his work. It is information such as these men discussed that convinced me no god is necessary. Natural processes have their way of creating cosmos out of chaos. Mathematics, the language of science, makes so much more sense because there are certain laws that either exist, or do not, and there are explanations why a law doesn't fit in different circumstances. Gravity is a low of the earth, but with enough velocity objects can escape earth's gravitational pull. From a universe point of view, laws of gravity apply. There is not a simple, absolute answer, it is all relative. Oh! I've heard that one before.
Evolution is so much more interesting and exciting than creationist dogma, it explains processes of gravity, electro-magnetism, strong and weak forces making a mystery dissolve, even as these processes lead to even more mystery. Noticing patterns, as revealed by fractals and Fibonacci sequence, I knew natural order exists and all is not chaos. See my Fractals in Nature Photo Album:
Fractals in Nature
Or, Fibonacci Sequence:
Joan and Annie,
I also wonder how the spider knows to build its web. It's amazing!
No idea what kind of spider. The web was on an arborvitae this morning.
I love having spiders around. They eat lots of insects. I think they are also a sign of ecological health. Although I have no proof of that.
Beautiful web, Sentient! And Joan, your comment made me think of the Science Friday episode a few days ago. Ira Flatow was interviewing Steven Strogatz. He wrote the book, "The Joy of X: A Guided Tour of Math, from One to Infinity." Flatow brought up a Feynman quote about finding joy in knowledge, and asked Strogatz if he agreed (which he did). He gave the example of seeing the Fibonacci sequence in so much of nature, from the number of scales in a pine cone's spiral to the seeds in a sunflower. It's funny, as it is things like this that perhaps could be the only way to convince me that there is any type of god or "creator"... but it doesn't. ;-) If you are interested in the program, you can listen to it here: http://www.npr.org/2012/10/05/162372203/steven-strogatz-the-joy-of-x
Sentient: Do you know what type of spider created this web?
An incredibly beautiful evidence of fractal geometry in living things, and the existence of patterns in nature. I wonder how the spider knows how to build a web? Perhaps, one day, we will be able to understand the workings of the brain and body. But for now, I can just enjoy the shapes, forms, textures, and colors all around us and realize I/you/we exist following the same evolution processes to make life as we know it. How could we ask for anything more?
This morning in the yard.
Red oranges from Sicily! I wonder what the chemical components are to make such a flavor. Are they able to bottle it, or freeze it? But then, that goes against my principle of eating locally. Oh yes, we do need to make some changes.
Of course there is terroir! You made me think of the red oranges that grow in Sicily on volcanic soil. The taste is unforgettable - and you cannot grow them anywhere else with the same result.
Annie, I know that other traits are affected by local conditions, so flavor would not surprise me. I've moved a few plants from my late parents' yard in Illinois to my yard in Southwest Washington. The shape and size of the plants, and the leaf color, is very different here. Then moving some 30 miles to my new place, again significant changes. For example, in Illinois, the Sempervivum were big, juicy leaf, medium green leafed plants. Here, they are smaller, sage green. At the new place, they have red tips to the leaves. Also noting differences in leaf and stem color for peaches, plums, and some alliums. So if the plant shape and appearance is different, maybe the flavor is too?
So glad you are enjoying the topic! There is a wonderful book titled, "Terroir: The Role of Geology, Climate, and Culture in the Making of French Wine" bu James E. Wilson. It's a large and rather expensive book, but I wonder if your local library would have it? It is written by a geologist and the biggest complaint about the book is that it is so heavy in geology (which is one of the things I enjoy about it).
I remember watching the movie "French Kiss" many years ago. I love the scene where the main character brings out a box he made as a school project that is filled with little vials of different scents. One has lavender, another truffles, etc. This was my first introduction to the concept, but also made me wonder what other plants retain something from the soil they are grown in. Now, some believe there is really no such thing as "terroir", but I beg to differ.
Tomatoes and terroir. Cool!
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