Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

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Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Joan Denoo on October 14, 2012 at 11:30pm

Here is a better video of fractals that explains techniques and processes. If you try to create a fractal with pencil and paper, it is virtually impossible. I spent several days doing the geometry to bring cosmos out of chaos. With a computer, it just means punching in a few numbers, pressing a "Go" and wait. The original Mandelbrot set was left to run overnight, I think by accident, and resulted in unbelievable patterns.

"Understanding Fractals"

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 14, 2012 at 8:46pm

This rather fundamental fractal, showing only a brief example of fractal tree design, reveals a representation of how natural growth develops. I wish he would stay with forms of flora growth, that could be very interesting to watch. I find the geometric patterns less interesting than flora, sometimes. 


Comment by Daniel W on October 14, 2012 at 5:25pm

Hulda Klager Lilac Garden.


I've been there twice during their lilac festival.  Many of the lilacs there were planted by Hulda Klager, who enjoyed creating new hybrids.


Come to think of it, my profile photo is taken in front of a Lilac at the Klager garden.

Comment by Daniel W on October 14, 2012 at 5:19pm

That's a wonderful memory lilac!  I would go for that over a new hybrid, any time.  Plus, fragrant!  Like some irises, and roses, the old fragrant lilacs have a presence not found in some of the lush modern flowers.


This summer I obtained starts from a few very old iris varieties.  One is identical in appearance to a cluster in the 150?-year-old cemetery where my parents are buried.  Anxious to see if they'll bloom next Spring.  May be too soon.  


The "new" place in Battleground has a very large lilac that looks very old.  There was a big dead branch.  I cut it off, and thought to count the rings.  There were at least 30+,so that branch was at least 30 years old.  Maybe it has an untold story.  It might bloom next Spring.


Treasure those viable shoots from your Grandmother's lilac!  It's priceless!

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 14, 2012 at 11:02am

The original root and shrub from great-grandma's grave is dying but there are many little ones sprouting all around it, so when the old shrub dies, there are still many viable roots from that stock. They are beautiful bushes and I am sure they will be very pretty. One is about 6 feet tall now, the others are from 2 inches above ground to about 3 feet. Life seeks to live and this ancient root lives on. Yes, the old one was fragrant. And I love her. 

Comment by Daniel W on October 14, 2012 at 8:57am
Clematis can be so dramatic!
I think I would prefer the old lilac from grandmother's grave, over a new one. Is it fragrant?
They say concords dont do well in my area so I stick eith some newer types. Love the concord grape flabor!
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 13, 2012 at 9:34pm

This one grows into the arborvitae and into an old scrawny lilic that isn't pretty, but I dug a root from one growing on my great-grandmother's grave located in a pine forest in Emida, Idaho. The lilac definitely is not a fancy variety, probably something my grandmother dug from her own garden. 

This is my neighbor to the east who has Clematis terniflora, (aka paniculata), “Sweet Autumn Clematis”.

Cary harvested my Concord grapes this week, leaving some for the birds. 

Comment by Daniel W on October 13, 2012 at 6:08pm

Ginkgo seeds almost ready to collect.  

I drive past this tree on my way home from work.  It is in a neglected park.  I've collected seeds from it in the past, started lots of little trees, gave most away.  This year I plan to do that again.  

In a long row of ginkgo trees, there are 2 females.  My guess is they were grafted trees and the scion died, leaving the seed grown rootstock to grow.  Just a guess.


If readers want some seeds to play with and plant, let me know and I will see if I can send some.  

Comment by Daniel W on October 13, 2012 at 5:55pm

Joan, I have several clematis.  I don't know the varieties.  One grew up into my neighbor's neglected and overgrown apple tree, about 40 feet tall.  Wild guess.   It was interesting to see those big blue flowers at the top of the tree.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 12, 2012 at 5:12pm

My neighbor and I have been experimenting and exploring which kinds of clematis we each have and how we should care for them. First thing to know, the incorrect pruning may cost you a plant. We both have lost lovely clematis because we didn't know what we were doing. Here is a guide to help differentiate the three types. 
We also learned that clematis like tomato food. So, those are two problems solved. We keep learning together as we chat through the shared raspberry bushes that came into my garden from hers. 


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