Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Daniel W on October 17, 2012 at 9:32am

A reason to save your own seeds.  From seed saver's exchange, garlic crops reduced by bacterial infection.  Infection could spreads as garlic heads are shipped around the country.  Saving your own likely reduces the spread to others, and likely reduces your own risk of losing your crop.  (my take on this).   I did buy starts this year of another variety - my aquisitional little demon demanded it! - but they are in a separate raised bed, and were big cloves, so I hope unaffected.  My beds are far from any other gardens.  In addition, individual growers are more likely to have a reservoir of unaffected plants and can resupply if the large growers are affected.  

"Many garlic growers in the Midwest have reported yellowing leaves and premature browning resulting in both crop loss and smaller garlic heads at harvest. Some growers have had almost 100% crop loss while others have had little or none."

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 15, 2012 at 2:20am

Nerdless, a favorite flower of mine, sunflowers. Glad to learn stevia works out well for you.

Comment by Nerdlass on October 15, 2012 at 2:14am

This weekend I went to see the sunflower fields in the town over. A typhoon had come and knocked most of them down, but I was able to enjoy them, nonetheless. I was simply amazed at the size of the heads! Like dishes! Wow! LOL Anyway, I just want to thank you, Joan for all your advice with the stevia. So far, so good!

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 14, 2012 at 11:30pm

Here is a better video of fractals that explains techniques and processes. If you try to create a fractal with pencil and paper, it is virtually impossible. I spent several days doing the geometry to bring cosmos out of chaos. With a computer, it just means punching in a few numbers, pressing a "Go" and wait. The original Mandelbrot set was left to run overnight, I think by accident, and resulted in unbelievable patterns.

"Understanding Fractals"

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 14, 2012 at 8:46pm

This rather fundamental fractal, showing only a brief example of fractal tree design, reveals a representation of how natural growth develops. I wish he would stay with forms of flora growth, that could be very interesting to watch. I find the geometric patterns less interesting than flora, sometimes. 


Comment by Daniel W on October 14, 2012 at 5:25pm

Hulda Klager Lilac Garden.


I've been there twice during their lilac festival.  Many of the lilacs there were planted by Hulda Klager, who enjoyed creating new hybrids.


Come to think of it, my profile photo is taken in front of a Lilac at the Klager garden.

Comment by Daniel W on October 14, 2012 at 5:19pm

That's a wonderful memory lilac!  I would go for that over a new hybrid, any time.  Plus, fragrant!  Like some irises, and roses, the old fragrant lilacs have a presence not found in some of the lush modern flowers.


This summer I obtained starts from a few very old iris varieties.  One is identical in appearance to a cluster in the 150?-year-old cemetery where my parents are buried.  Anxious to see if they'll bloom next Spring.  May be too soon.  


The "new" place in Battleground has a very large lilac that looks very old.  There was a big dead branch.  I cut it off, and thought to count the rings.  There were at least 30+,so that branch was at least 30 years old.  Maybe it has an untold story.  It might bloom next Spring.


Treasure those viable shoots from your Grandmother's lilac!  It's priceless!

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 14, 2012 at 11:02am

The original root and shrub from great-grandma's grave is dying but there are many little ones sprouting all around it, so when the old shrub dies, there are still many viable roots from that stock. They are beautiful bushes and I am sure they will be very pretty. One is about 6 feet tall now, the others are from 2 inches above ground to about 3 feet. Life seeks to live and this ancient root lives on. Yes, the old one was fragrant. And I love her. 

Comment by Daniel W on October 14, 2012 at 8:57am
Clematis can be so dramatic!
I think I would prefer the old lilac from grandmother's grave, over a new one. Is it fragrant?
They say concords dont do well in my area so I stick eith some newer types. Love the concord grape flabor!
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 13, 2012 at 9:34pm

This one grows into the arborvitae and into an old scrawny lilic that isn't pretty, but I dug a root from one growing on my great-grandmother's grave located in a pine forest in Emida, Idaho. The lilac definitely is not a fancy variety, probably something my grandmother dug from her own garden. 

This is my neighbor to the east who has Clematis terniflora, (aka paniculata), “Sweet Autumn Clematis”.

Cary harvested my Concord grapes this week, leaving some for the birds. 


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