Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Aug 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture Chickens Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 30. 1 Reply

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

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Comment by Plinius on March 21, 2013 at 2:31am

A beautiful beehive, Sentient! I hope you'll have lots of success - and honey!

I like your picture very much, Amer! That woman must be a lot hardier than city dwellers like me, who can always choose between the stairs and the elevator.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 20, 2013 at 9:53pm
Amer, I like the way that tree gives way to wires. Because of the heavy snow fall and sometimes wet snow, we have to get wires above the trees; the result is terrible pruning jobs that look awful and weaken even the best of trees.
Comment by Joan Denoo on March 20, 2013 at 9:51pm
Sentient, your bee hive is so beautiful, it is a piece of yard art. The bees will turn it into an enchanted place, especially with your lovely planting ideas.
Comment by Daniel W on March 20, 2013 at 9:38pm

Amer, what an unusual pruning job!  I guess they have to keep the wires free from branches, so it's either cut down the tree or prune as in the photo.  

Joan, the roof is copper.  It's supposed to prevent rot from our long rainy season.

I love powerful storms.  Enjoy!

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 20, 2013 at 7:59pm

Sentient, your bee hive looks wonderful. What is the roof? I am really curious about that hive and hope it feels like a palace to the bees. What a treat for you to come home to. I can see you now, sitting under the shade of one of your lovely trees, watching and listening to all those workers going about their business. With all the clover and wonderful blossoms coming they will feel like it is paradise. 

We are in the midst of furious wind, lightning and thunder storm with black black clouds with streaks of silver. A beautiful sight and sound. 

Comment by amer chohan on March 20, 2013 at 7:46pm

Sentinent nice bee box, last year one of my relative entered into patnership with some professional bee-keeper. Recently he was telling details of their growth, how their boxes dioubled, their diseases and bee-eaters etc. Whole of the story seemed very intresting to me. Hope your experience with the bees works well.

In the picture a multi-purpose activity of tree pruning and goat feeding is in the progress. It is usually done in the begning of the winters. Intresting thing is that woman doing it didn't compromised on her routine clothing outfit inspite of the hight of the tree which makes it very dangerious. Your question ignited my mind and here I came across a very intresting example of tree pruning.

Comment by Daniel W on March 20, 2013 at 5:35pm

Amer, what is happening in that photo?  Is it tree pruning?  Collecting wood?  Interesting picture.

I hope you will have photos of your grafted cacti.  They are very interesting.

Annie, the bamboo will make great beanpoles.  Once they start winding around, they will find their own way up the poles.  Tree sticks work too, if long enough.  Different pole beans grow different heights - you probably want them at least 6 feet tall.


Joan - no bees yet.  The place that orders them projected early April.  I hope I am out of the hospital then!  Surgery will be tuesday.  If it goes well they expect a week in the hospital, then roughly a month to recover.  I will obey the doctors and nurses so I recover as fast as I can.  So it might be close....  Installing the bees is not physically demanding at all, so as long as I'm on my feet that part will be OK.  Once in the hive, they need to be left alone for a week, so again not too much needed from me.


Went ahead and painted the beehive.  Here is is now in the yard.


And here it is open, with some top bars removed to show the internal structure.

This has been in my mind for 2 years, reading and planning.  Mostly the past 1 year.  Took 2 3-hour beekeeping classes.  Read several books.  Throughout history, bees have been kept in many cultures, primitive and advanced, and many places.  I think the insects will teach what to do.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 20, 2013 at 4:53pm

I hope you share some photos of your garden Annie. And keep us informed on how you decided to manage vine crops. 

Comment by Annie Thomas on March 20, 2013 at 3:34pm

Thanks Joan!  I have access to all the bamboo I care to cut, so I think I will go with that.  My beans are already growing (in raised mounds in my garden) so I will devise supports to fit in. 

Comment by amer chohan on March 20, 2013 at 3:25pm

Sentinent, this winter's grafting was crazy. I had some unexpeted failures and successes. It was always at the back of my mind that I will discuss the results with you. I was waiting for the scions to grow a little(as catus grow very solw) to talk to you. Hope they are big enough when you are back.


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