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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Fruit Pests: Apricot

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo on Sunday. 3 Replies

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 24. 1 Reply

Change, the only constant

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 16. 4 Replies

Change, the only constant

Started by Joan Denoo Jun 15. 0 Replies

Favorite Flowers

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Randall Smith Jun 8. 8 Replies

The Evolution of Ecological Consciousness

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 4. 1 Reply

Living in the forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 27. 6 Replies

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 25. 17 Replies

Air-pots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W May 2. 2 Replies

Air-pots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 2. 1 Reply

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Comment by Joan Denoo on May 7, 2014 at 8:54pm

Still looking for the common name of the caliche mud, unsuccessfully. Found this description of it, but no other name. 

"It is the most exasperating glop you can imagine, and just a few steps will add pounds to your shoes, making them look like platform snowshoes. And trying to get it off is reminiscent of the Uncle Remus tale of Brer Rabbit and the tar baby. Each attempt finds you yet more inextricably affixed to this whitish supermuck and is sure to leave you with a story to tell."

A mud like no other …caliche 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 7, 2014 at 8:43pm

Barbara, I just ran across this article while trying to find the common name for caliche. I didn' find it, but found this instead: 

Caliche CO2 Feldspar And Climate Dust

We had a layer of hardpan, another name for the rock layer of caliche, that was about 3 feet below soil level. We drilled holes with a power drill to install some sports equipment in our back yard. When the drill hit the hardpan, we, on the other side of the yard, cold feel the drill. After we broke through, we planted a tree over the hole hoping to get some shade on the house. It seems that even roots can't break through hardpan and do poorly. It took all day to drill the holes for the tree and sports equipment. Really hard work. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 7, 2014 at 8:17pm

It is suppose to rain here tomorrow!  Yeahhh, and maybe Friday. Perhaps it will give all my growing things a shot in the arm, err stem. :)

Randall, believe it or not I really never stopped mowing my lawn during the past year.  After the leaves fell from the trees in the fall I simply mulched them with mower onto my lawn, and just kept on mowing, albeit every two weeks during the cold months.

Sentient I'm a tad jealous that you have so many veggies growing in pots and seem to be successful.  Last year I used mostly plastic pots with a few clay.  It was simply too hot and everything cooked as I mentioned in previous post.  So this year I bought "smart pots', a fabric pot that allows air to circulate around the roots and is also self-pruning of the roots.  They have a website if you are interested in learning more about them.  You can grow everything from the smallest flowers up to trees and shrubs as they come in many sizes. I also rigged up sub-irrigation system in each pot using plastic soda bottles and pvc pipe to fill them. I have a thing about zinnias and dahlias so I've committed quite a bit of space to them.  Sedums work too and I may add a few of them. 

I have a Confederate Jasmine which limped through last summer and was beautiful up until I watered it last week. Now the little flowers are brownish and some of the leaves look a little yellow - obviously too much water. Have decided to ignore it for a couple of weeks and see if it recovers.  The smell is heavenly as I step out onto my patio. 

Joan you are sooooo right about the clay soil.  I've amended it and I'll learn in a while whether I did a good enough job.  I have some salvia greggi and salvia leucantha planted in the amended soil.  Some seem to be doing okay and other just look sad.

Next year it will be all cactus if things don't grow this year. I even passed on growing tomatoes this year as I was such a dismal failure at it last year.  I mean, how can you fail at growing tomatoes?  Really. 

Comment by king on May 7, 2014 at 12:40pm
And sorry about the misspell in your name
Comment by king on May 7, 2014 at 12:34pm
Randell what all did you plant in your garden
Comment by king on May 7, 2014 at 9:12am
Randell I agree we need rain here in indiana
Comment by Randall Smith on May 7, 2014 at 7:02am

Welcome Barbara. We're having a drought here in Indiana, too. At least I don't have to mow the lawn yet!

Joan, I, too, have lived in my home for a long time--37 years. A barn once stood where my garden is. I'm still finding concrete pieces, nails, and many pebbles. The soil is clay based and very alkaline. Perhaps in another 37 years of nurturing, it'll be what I want it to be. Love your "then and now" photos!

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 6, 2014 at 11:14pm

Incidently I have lived in this home for 40 years, July 1, and the first 10 years the entire back yard was in vegetables and fruits. Then I turned it into lawn. After the kids grew up and moved away, I turned my garden into a meditation garden. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 6, 2014 at 11:07pm

Hi Barbara, I am glad to see you here. We learn so much from each other, especially with the unpredictable weather we have. 

I live in Spokane, WA and have gardened in El Paso, Killeen, San Antonio and know how different Texas is from eastern WA state. I had to learn about caliche, limited watering, wild animals and strange-to-me plants.

It is a real challenge to start seeds in Texas soils because so much of it is clay that quickly turns to muck ... there was a term we used when the feet and tools caked with clay that I can't remember. I went out in the free-range areas of these different places and collected cow pies. I also made my own compost, all in an attempt to lighten the soils.

Where I live now is no clay and 100% humus. I live on ground that once was a swamp and in the days of the migratory Indians, they camped in our valley to collect camas, wild fruits and vegetables of all kinds. It is now a neighborhood near downtown.

When I lived in Texas, I grew wonderful cucumbers and tomatoes as well as the usual other kitchen garden things. I had difficulty with corn because the corn worms were so terrible we could barely get any corn kernels off the cobs. I ended up making dried corn for the wildlife. I had to use far too much Seven to try to control diseases and pests and so didn't use it for human or animal consumption. I use no Seven at all here, haven't ever had it in my shed. 

I learned how to grow more of the desert kinds of flowers and shrubs in TX. They were very pretty and not at all like the kinds I grow now. 

This was my garden 21 years ago

And the same garden, taken from the same angle Last fall

Notice the Blue spruce in the background of both photos.

I look forward to gardening with you 

Comment by king on May 6, 2014 at 10:59pm
How long is ur summer
 

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