Godless in the garden

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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Old and Green. Gardening with an older body.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo 2 hours ago. 33 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo yesterday. 0 Replies

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

Growing Tomatoes in Martian Soil

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 7. 6 Replies

Bring On The Soldier Flies!

Started by Joan Denoo Jun 5. 0 Replies

Urban Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jun 3. 1 Reply

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Comment by Daniel W on June 13, 2014 at 8:11am
Barbara, thank you for the photos and amazing info!

I was in San Antonio at Fort Sam for a few months as a young soldier. I would have loved to see tbst! The bat story make me want to visit again some day.

I hope everyone you are anjoying your gardens. mHere it is a beautiful time of year. we are approaching the time of summer when the grass becomes brown and stops growing, but fruit trees start to bear and vegetables become productive with some regular watering.
Comment by Randall Smith on June 13, 2014 at 8:02am

Incredible pictures and information!! Thanks, Barbara, for posting them. It's interesting that the bat males sleep outside the cave.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 13, 2014 at 7:52am

Thank you for all your comments. I appreciate being able to share a great experience and pass along an important feature of our natural environment.  Bats are so often considered "bad", with many myths associated with them, when the exact opposite is true.  

South Texas had a series of serious thunderstorms last night!  Haven't heard the news this morning to see if their were any tornados as had been warned. All my flowers are at attention and looking happy. Lots of lightening along with the rain last night!

Comment by Plinius on June 13, 2014 at 12:26am

Thanks for your story, Barbara! Beautiful pics!

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 12, 2014 at 5:11pm

Barbara, what an experience! Yes, bats are our friends. I have a bat house in my garden but I have never seen a bat go in or out. I don't look in to inspect it; I just leave it alone. 

The numbers amaze me! How can that many creatures exist together and live in the aroma of guano. I have been in bat caves before; nothing like this one. Mind boggling! Beautiful photography! 

Comment by Čenek Sekavec on June 12, 2014 at 3:09pm

Wow Barbara thanks for sharing that is really neat. Those pics came out quite nicely :)

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 12, 2014 at 12:06pm

Spud, actually 24 million individuals ... as each female has a baby.  What is also fascinating is that for every female with a baby in the cave there is a male living somewhere in the area. Barns, buildings, under bridges, etc. Bats are good so if you see one don't kill it as it has a family somewhere close by. :) 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 12, 2014 at 11:59am

Benches are above cave opening and -+ 40 yards from it. Almost overwhelming smell of amonia from the bat guano. I can't get a better pic to upload. And yes, packed in. After babies are born they cling to mother. If they lose grip they drop to bottom of cave where they are eaten by a small black beetle which lives in the guano. :( Life is hard in a bat cave.   www.batcon.org 

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 12, 2014 at 11:40am

Wow, 500 bats per square foot!  They must be packed in wing to wing. 

I would like to see that many bats.  We saw bats at night where I grew-up, but nothing like 12 million.  

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 12, 2014 at 11:31am

There are 12,000,000, yes million, female bats in the cave and each female has one baby. 500 bats per square foot. It takes four hours for all the bats to leave the cave. They begin exiting the cave at sundown. Our guide said when the cicadas begin to sing the bats will emerge shortly thereafter and she was right.

We were not allowed to use flash. I have a Nikon S570 digital point and shoot camera and having to turn the flash off liminated my options. They emitted a chirping sound and combined with the sound of their wings was simply amazing. I was not able to capture a picture of them swirling around the cave opening before they took to the air. 

There is no way I could capture the swarm of bats in the sunset, but, the dark areas just above the pink are bats. 

Hawks, snakes, and various other animals that eat the bats wait on the edges of the cave for their nightly meal. There was an enormous Red Tail Hawk sitting in the trees waiting ... and he helped himself to the buffet about 5 minutes after they emerged. 

Again, the dark area around the moon is all bats. I tried adjusting the pic to make them stand out without success.  Some of my  pictures look almost surreal as the camera captured the movement of the bats and the image is a blur of movement.

I'm definitely not a pro at this, but it was fun to try and it was a wonderful experience and memory. 

 

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