Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 175
Latest Activity: on Sunday

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by king on June 17, 2014 at 5:09pm
As far as I can find as long as you are trained in a job field in demand in new zealand and with a degree in math there are so many jobs I can do
Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 17, 2014 at 4:45pm

Joan, I found this online. I've never tried it.  I'm learning I only need three things in life to live: a bottle of vinegar, a box of baking soda, and a box of salt. Create anything with it. :) 


Baking soda makes an inexpensive control for powdery mildew on plants. The baking soda fungicide is mostly effective as a preventative, offering only minimal benefits after your plants have become infected. Weekly spraying of susceptible plants during humid or damp weather can greatly reduce the incidence of powdery mildew in your garden.

To control powdery mildew on plants, mix together:

  • 1 tablespoon of baking soda
  • ½ teaspoon of liquid soap
  • 1 gallon of water

Do not store unused mixture. While this recipe has been known to be effective, it can burn the leaves of some plants. It is recommended that you water your infected plants well a couple of days before applying this mixture, and don’t apply it in full sun. Try on a small area first, to test the plant’s response before spraying the entire plant.

Some recipes also recommend applying 1 tablespoon of ultralight horticultural oil to the mixture. The oil coats and smothers the fungi. The soap is added to help the mix spread and cling to the leaf surface. Be sure to apply to lower leaf surfaces as well.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 17, 2014 at 4:39pm

Joan, when I have a question about gardening I always first go online and check with what Dr. Jerry Parsons of Texas A&M Extension has to say. The man is the go-to person for growing anything in Texas. Is there an agricultural extension agent in your county in WA?  Perhaps they have a website where you can ask the question?  

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 17, 2014 at 4:19pm

Barbara, you are on your way. Now, get some good literature for how to SAVE the bees, butterflies, hummingbirds, lady bugs and green lacewings. 

I would tell her all the things that are missing from our gardens because of human activity, and all the alternatives to insecticides that are so easily available. And they work night and day. 

I have looked an looked for an aphid and can find none. Diatomaceous earth takes care of my slugs and snails, although I am not sure they would work in Daniel's garden in SE Washington state. 

What I need is anti fungus, organic. Anyone found anything that works. I have lost so many things to fungus, so I do no overhead watering, all my soaker hoses are buried under soil, I have timers that go off for only as much water as they need, and I am trying to pull out all the weeds that grew during my hear off playing with cancer chemicals. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 17, 2014 at 3:59pm

King, do they have strict immigration requirements?  

Comment by king on June 17, 2014 at 3:55pm
To live I don't like the way the US is going I did a school project on new zealand in high school and I have love it ever since
Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 17, 2014 at 3:53pm

To work King?

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 17, 2014 at 3:52pm

Ahh. Okay, so you do understand my dismay at seeing it. I have seen ONE honeybee in my yard in the past few months. It's probably dead by now. I have ONE hummingbird who comes to my feeder.  I have seen may TEN butterflies in the past 4 months. I realize it will take time and much more planting on my part to attract everything, but, was saddened to think person on other side of fence could be defeating my efforts. I recommended DE and gave her info sheet, not sure if it will help. There is an organic gardening group of Tx and I joined. Also nation organic growers organization. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 17, 2014 at 3:50pm

king! How exciting! May I ask what motivates you to move to New Zealand? I would just love to live there. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 17, 2014 at 3:43pm

Oh, I should have directed you to the membership list of Godless in the Garden. Steph, in Austin, is listed there, as is Sandi, in Seguin, txcrickett Brenham, TX, Tony Carroll Palestine, TX, Joe Zamecki Austin, TX, Tracy B Amarillo, TX, John Manfred Austin, TX, Alma Houston.

Now, as to what to do or say, If it were me, I would express concern for her safety with all that chemical, and offer some ideas of how she could meet the challenges presented by disease and pests. That will take a little homework, by talking to others who are interested in growing healthy plants.

I would definitely want her to know the risks and the options, and then the rest is up to her. 

The reason I don't use Sevin is because it kills the lady bugs and lacewings that I bring into my garden. It is also lethal to bees.

There is controversy over the use of Sevin. It is reported, but not by scientific research: 

  • It causes birth defects in mammals, espescially dogs.
  • It worsens the condition ofpeople with hypertension and people who are taking anti-depressant drugs.
  • It impairs the function of the petuitary gland, the thyroid gland, and the reproductive system.
  • It causes hyperactivity and learning disabilities in mammals.
  • It could increase the chance of heart attack in people with weak hearts.
  • The main break-down product, nitrosocarbaryl, which is easily created in the human gut, is a potent cancer-causing agent.
  • It causes irreversible chromosomal damage to human DNA (the genes in our cells).(5)

Research summary: 

Hazard Summary

  • Carbaryl can affect you when inhaled in and by passing through your skin.
  • Carbaryl may cause mutations and may be a teratogen.
  • Exposure can cause cabamate poisoning with burred vision, sweating, nausea and vomiting, abdominal pain, fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema), and death.
  • Contact can irritate the skin, causing a rash.
  • Repeated exposures may affect the kidneys and nervous system.



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