Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Daniel W on May 15, 2017 at 10:23am

Kathy, I would just cut off the unwanted peach to the ground.  Not meaning to disagree Randy, there are often many right answers :-)

Glad most of your trees are doing well.  I hope the pecan will still grow.  Some trees are slow to leaf out the first time.  That's an expensive tree.  One of my chestnuts was only about a foot tall and $35, which I thought was excessive but didn't know until I received it.  Still, it's growing.

My gogi's also got eaten off by rabbits.  Damn those rabbits!

This week will be cool, with warming starting late in the week.. I'll try again planting sweet corn then.  Beans will wait until June.  Tomato plants are lush, waiting for planting in ground too.

Comment by Randall Smith on May 15, 2017 at 7:01am

Kathy, me thinks you should be able to separate the roots successfully, even if it means destroying parts of the root systems. Just rip them apart! When replanted, keep watering them.

As for my new trees, Daniel, four of five are doing great. They're all leafted out. However, my pecan tree, which came bare-rooted, shows no sign of life. I'm disheartened, especially since it cost me over $75! And my new goji bush was eaten down by rabbits. Grrrr.  My "old" fruit trees are loaded, except the early blooming apricots. As usual, there's nothing on them.

My vegetable garden is pretty much all planted. Only sweet potatoes to put in. Things took off with this stretch of warm temps. My early corn, however, didn't make it--only one row planted. Oh yes, and over half my beans didn't germinate. I should know by now, it doesn't pay to get an early start. The soil is just too cold.

Comment by kathy: ky on May 14, 2017 at 11:01pm
Question folks,
I have two peach trees that started in the same small hole from pits They are growing in the yard and doing very well. I know I've got to separate them but how?? If I had caught them sooner I would have taken one out from the root.
Will it cause a mess if I clip one out??
The double root system is what concerns me. I don't want the clipped one to return over the years and ruin the trunk of the remaining one. I know from past experience that two trees don't grow well when they started as seedlings together.
They just started growing last fall and are only able two ft high. The trunks are about the size of a small straw.
Trees are not my thing. I live in the woods and am constantly having to chop, snip or cut seedlings out that have started in flower beds, under rocks and anyplace else they land long enough :(
Comment by Daniel W on May 14, 2017 at 11:26am

Thanks for the permaculture information, Joan.


I am not a purist about permaculture, but I do incorporate permaculture concepts into my life and garden and I like the philosophy.  I think permaculture might be more work in some ways, which I have to consider for the future.In other ways, it is less work. 

That reminds me, the chestnut trees that I planted have leafed out and are growing nicely.

Slugs took a liking to my re-purposed cement block raised beds.  I have paving stones on top of the blocks, and slugs congregate on the undersides of the paving stones. These slugs are monstrous, thicker than my thumb and longer than my index finger.  It turns out that ducks love eating slugs, so I go on slug hunts now, and feed them to the ducks.  Permaculture?

I think the first corn seeds I planted will be a no-go.  The 80s days were followed by several rainy days and soil temp dropped to 50.  It's just a partial packet of seeds, not much loss.

I don't rototill but I do turn over the top layer of soil, using a shovel, and break it up using a garden rake.   I don't mulch in spring, due to chill and those slugs which destroy all seedlings.  I lay boards under plants, and collect slug form under the boards,, but that's not sufficient to save little seedlings.  By cultivating, the soil is warmer.

Looks like most of us are not tilling.

Spud, I'm confident you will get those mice!

Randy, How are your new trees doing?  My persimmons are so close to blooming.  I check every day.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 14, 2017 at 8:02am

I just put down 5 fresh glue boards to see if that will catch it.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 14, 2017 at 8:01am

Ugh!  I think I have another mouse loose in the house.  I heard the radar dog I've got outside my bedroom bark several times last night and this morning I found a little peanut butter missing from a trap although it was not triggered.  Another trap was triggered, but no mouse was in it.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 14, 2017 at 7:48am

I try not to root-till my garden anymore either randy.  I've also concluded that it probably does more damage than good.

Comment by Randall Smith on May 14, 2017 at 7:08am

All good information. Thanks.

I don't roto-till my garden before planting. So the plot doesn't look all clean and fluffy. I read where tilling does more damage than good. And I usually have decent results. When weeds get out of control, I may run the tiller through the rows. That is, if I can get it started!

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 13, 2017 at 11:50pm

Permaculture is a style of life.

"Permaculture is a system of design for sustainable and ecological living by integrating plants, animals, buildings, people, and communities."

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 13, 2017 at 11:42pm

Daniel, I agree that gardening depends on so many variables, one has to be responsive to whatever element presents. I, too, had a year and half of horticulture at a Land Grant College and had to learn a very different form of gardening when I discoveed Permaculture and the use of nature and natural processes to get the kind of results I wanted. I learned a great deal by gardening with my Dad and both grandmothers. They used a lot of folk methods that seemed to work. When I have a problem with a plant, I often sit down and remember what they did. That is a great way to learn. 

Over the years, I forget what I learned at college, unless it is so deeply engrained in my mind I don't realize it. But I remember, vividly, what I learned from my elders. 

In some ways I wish we had life after death so that I could tell them how valuable they are to me today and how grateful I am for having them as family. I also wish I could tell them how hurtful the interpersonal relations were for me and that families can live without violence. 

Communication between and within the family members now are much healthier. We manage conflict and problems much better than the previous generation. 

Growing a garden using no-till methods and growing a family using interpersonal skill, result in different outcomes than using tilling methods of farming and authoritarian methods of child rearing.

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