Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Patricia on September 1, 2017 at 2:06pm

We always share with the neighbours, & they share back. We all seem to grow different things.

It should be the owners choice to share, not just put up with the takers who seem to think its their right.

I remember Felaine & people stealing her avocados off the tree.

Comment by Daniel W on September 1, 2017 at 10:24am


I made the vegetarian version of BLTs, which uses a frozen vegetarian substitute for bacon.  It wouldn't fool anyone, but having them plus the sweet corn pushed all of my nostalgia buttons.  I've been adding some finely cut hot peppers to the BLTs, something my parents and grandparents in the midwest would not have done.

Comment by Daniel W on September 1, 2017 at 10:20am

Looks like it's starting to cool down a little here.  I think this was the hottest driest summer in memory.  I will need to plan better for watering efficiency, because I spend too much time hauling around the hose.

Still, the vegetables and fruits and flowers are worth it.

I cut 9 of the approx 14 leaning trees now.  I hauled most of the resultant brush to the yard waste recycler, and cut the bigger chunks into firewood.  That will be enough for 2 years.  The remaining 5 trees will wait until the sweet corn is done, because they will fall where it is growing.

This winter, the raised beds will need overhaul.  That will be with efficiency and future reduced work in mind.

Comment by Don on September 1, 2017 at 7:15am

Here in Vermont the soil tends to be acidic.  There's plenty of limestone and marble to be quarried in some regions.  Blackberries, blueberries, and strawberries, broccoli, arugula, and potatoes, hydrangea, azaleas, and rhododendrons, fir, pine, and oak all do well.  I have to add wood ashes and lime to my asparagus plot every spring and fall along with the compost, but in general the soil is pretty well balanced.  

Randy, it's always a pleasure to give away our surplus when we can, isn't it?  Zukes and cukes, cherry tomatoes, lettuces and green beans.  People are always grateful and pleased. 

Comment by Randall Smith on September 1, 2017 at 6:58am

Boy, am I glad I don't have neighbors (closest is 0.2 mi away). But I'm always happy to share my fruit and veggies. I gave a sack of peaches, apples, and tomatoes to the man who cleaned my chimney yesterday, and he knocked $75 off his fee. Pretty good trade-off!

I like Daniel's little saying. Possums, 'coons, voles, rabbits, etc. eat their fair share of garden and yard products. I'm guessing it's opossums that ate my white grapes, but not before I gathered enough to make (start) some wine. I'll be curious as to how it turns out, first time and all.

Dug up all my regular potatoes. They're not too big this year, surprising because of all the rain. But, I used last year's leftovers as "seed". That makes a difference.

They say "eat more kale". Wish I liked it better.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 31, 2017 at 2:10pm

Randy, I forgot you had alkaline soil like me.  You probably have alkaline water like I do.  It is a constant fight.  Most of the things I grow like acidic soil.

I just purchased a meter to measure soil moisture.  It also measures light and pH.  I was surprised to measure a pH of 5.3 where my Avocado tree is growing.  That's quite acidic, so it may not be correct.  It's a cheap meter after all.  I'll have to check it's accuracy with a better test.

Comment by Patricia on August 31, 2017 at 2:06pm

We're pigging out on fresh corn too, & curmudgeon is a good thing!

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 31, 2017 at 1:07pm

Daniel, I would be quite upset with a mean neighbor like that.  I don't have any that bad.

I'm thinking of taking some blackberry and raspberry starts and planting them in back of the house where they won't tempt people, then planting something not so tempting near the alley and sidewalk.

That should reduce the amount of annoyance I experience.

Comment by Daniel W on August 31, 2017 at 12:54pm

Spud I agree with you, it  seems neighborly for people to ask.

People are obnoxious.  I have had people come through a gate to get into my garden.  I don't know if they stole anything.  Probably much less than deer.

My neighbor came into my yard and completely cut down a sprawling quince bush, that was growing from a point several feet on my side of the property line.  IT was probably several decades old.  He didn't just cut the parts that leaned over the line, he cut down the entire shrub.  I went to his house and yelled at him, telling him that was trespassing and vandalism.  We don't socialize anyway, and have not talked since then.

So I am a curmudgeon too.

About sweet corn.  I didn't grow it until the past few years.  I read that our summers are too short and cool, and spring too cool, to get any production. However, I saw that other people grew it.  I found some varieties that do OK in cooler spring soil, and ripen much sooner.  That means the plants are shorter, and the ears smaller, but no problem, they are so good!  I just eat 3 ears instead of 2.  The other thing is to plant a bunch about every 2 weeks, for 6 weeks in Spring.  That way, the yield is spread out over 6 weeks in late Summer.  My first ones this year didn't germinate or grow well, but the subsequent plantings are doing great. 

One learning with sweet corn, for me.  When planting, I plant a lot of extra seeds.  Especially in cool weather, some don't germinate.  Birds eat some.  When the plants are under a foot tall, rabbits eat a lot of them.  Get them past that point, they do great.  Deer don't bother them.  I use chicken wire fencing to protect the seeds and small plants, and transplant some to fill in missing spaces, so they are about 1 foot apart.   

The old saying, "Four seeds in a row, one for the rook, one for the crow, one will wither and one will grow."

Today for lunch:  Sweet corn, tomatoes, sourdough bread.

Comment by Thomas Murray on August 31, 2017 at 12:01pm


I support curmudgeon because I can't survive without it. I mean, being a nice older guy does have it's disadvantages..... and me wife thinks it cute.


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