Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Randall Smith on September 24, 2017 at 6:50am

Daniel, you've encouraged me to continue posting here. I sometimes feel I'm boasting when I talk about my yard and garden (despite envy of yours). Not everybody is so lucky to have space and time to work in a garden. I certainly enjoy your photos and reading about your progress. I may have to invite myself out to see everything first hand! Keep those post a-coming.

Comment by Daniel W on September 23, 2017 at 9:00am

This website is the only place where I can be among my atheist friends and talk about our gardening.  I love hearing about your experiences, triumphs, challenges, and ideas.  I treasure this group of people, so please don't worry about me not continuing on Godless in the Garden or on the Food! group.  You are my friends!   I will also continue my personal gardening blog, Growing Greener, because that also serves as my imperfect garden diary / journal.  I did less on that site this year, because there were more challenges with watering and predation.

2017 still turned out to be a great garden year, with lots of fruits, vegetables, and flowers.

Now that summer is done, and fall is beginning, there are still a few crops to harvest - the last of the sweet corn, bean seeds for next year, the last of the tomatoes, and still many peppers to go.  Those peppers might get a plastic cover to keep heat in their beds. There are lots more good-looking apples on the trees than I thought, still some grapes, and we might get a nice crop of persimmons after all.

Planning begins, for winter and for 2018. 

What trees to order?  Probably a nectarine and peach, both disease resistant.  Peach leaf curl is the limiting factor here.  The disease resistant varieties are not always as-marketed, but the two I picked out have good reputations.  And one chestnut, to replace one that didn't grow much.  Of the 3 that I planted last winter, 2 grew more than 4 feet, now 7 feet tall.  One grew a few inches.  I want to see chestnuts in my lifetime!  So I have a fast-growing, fast-bearing replacement in mind.

There are 4 remaining major leaning scrub trees - about 30 - 40 feet tall -  to take down.  That's out of about 12 that I started removing and cutting into firewood this summer.  I think I have 3 years supply of firewood from those now.  Much nicer area, and already I already replaced the dying scrub trees with healthy new cypress trees, plus those chestnuts and last fall's Dawn Redwood.  I want to add a couple of rhododendrons to the woods' edge.  Then try to find a couple of truckloads of arborist tree chips to put down as mulch, and call it done for the next decade.

Next year instead of scattered wildflowers, Im thinking about rows of flowers.  Easier to keep weeds out, and they fill in to make a continuous cover of flowers, by mid summer.

During winter, I'm raising 2 rows of raised beds, 6 inches higher for easier use buy the old guy who uses them (me).  Removing the 2 middle rows, and replacing with one row, so the riding mower can run between all of them, for easier maintenance and neatness.  I don't need as many now.  I also need to think about tree cages, because they are too much work to maintain, and have variable effectiveness, in preventing tree  destruction by deer.

Comment by Randall Smith on September 23, 2017 at 6:44am

Daniel, while I love gardening, I'm not as serious about it as you are. I might check out those gardening sites you mentioned, but if I get envious of what you do, imagine how I'd feel reading about a whole bunch of other great gardeners! Will you continue blogging on "Growing Greener"?

And I'm with you in avoiding certain discussion issues. I don't need to be aggravated. 

Comment by Patricia on September 22, 2017 at 3:19pm

A good way to be, for sure.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 22, 2017 at 3:07pm

That is why Daniel like plants so much! He tolerated my tirades as long as he could before he told me his boundaries. 

One of the things I like about Daniel is he is honest and straightforward with his feelings and wishes. 

Comment by Patricia on September 22, 2017 at 2:12pm

I've not heard any plant argue about religion or politics. They tend to keep their opinions to themselves & just do the growing thing.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 22, 2017 at 1:49pm

Daniel, I see you are getting serious about not wanting the political and religious discussions. I promised you long ago that I would not post such items on this site and I surely hope that I lived up to my pledge. I renew my vow to keep such topics off of this site.  

In the meantime, I expect to get updates on your exceptional garden activity on Godless in the Garden. 

Thanks for the links to helpfulgardener.com & GrowingFruit.org. I will be seeing you there, too. 

Comment by Daniel W on September 22, 2017 at 11:32am

I've been looking for a broader based gardening forum for general reading and comparing notes. 

I used to use GardenWeb, but that one became way too commercial, with popups and spam, after being sold to Houzz.  Now I'm looking at helpfulgardener.com, which looks similar in attitude to the old GardenWeb.  As for issues of religion and politics, and debates in general, this is their policy:  "Religion and Politics.  HelpfulGardener respects your religious and political beliefs. Religion and politics play a major role in people's lives around the world. Because this is a forum with people from all walks of life, we request that discussions and signatures about religion or politics be avoided, this includes divisive issues such as right to life, guns and others of that kind because those topics are too personal and tend to be divisive, which works against our goal of bringing people together.

I sometimes also read and post on the GrowingFruit.org blog, but they were more argumentative and obnoxious for a while, and I gave up on that one.  They since seem to have cleaned up their act. 

Comment by Daniel W on September 22, 2017 at 10:10am

Kathy, I think your weather is more similar to mine, although you may get hotter and wetter in summer and not as much winter rain.  You have better success with Rose of Sharon than I do.  I have one scrawny one that grew from seed, and a nursery one that died after 10 years.

Randi, I imagine the Aldi tulips are as good as any!  I always liked Aldi, and it was my dad's favorite store, but they don't have it here.  I hope your SIL benefited from his trip.

Yesterday I picked apples and other fruits this weekend.  This is the first crop for some varieties of apples.  The reddest ones are Jonared, a red sport of Jonathan.  I grew that for sentimental reasons, it was an old midwest favorite that my parents grew.  I think those will go into a pie.  Some later ripening apples remain on the tree.  We also got some Asian pears - not as good this year, and my first significant crop of Italian plums, which are sweet but very dense.  The peaches are small this year, and not as good. 

This week I also cut down another of the scrub trees.  Kind of big for scrub, maybe 40 feet tall, skinny, and leaning precariously over the Dawn Redwood tree that I planted last year.  I tied a rope and pulled so it fell safely.  Still can't believe it went where I wanted it to go!  What remains of that woods-edge rehab that I started 2 years ago clearing blackberry brambles, is cutt 4 more leaning trees, and a thick layer of arborist chip mulch if I can get some.

Comment by kathy: ky on September 20, 2017 at 8:01am
I'm always surprised at the difference in temps in our various areas. We probably won't get frost until mid October. Sometimes later. Our daily temp's are still getting in the mid eighties. Nights vary from upper 70s to low 50s. With the exception of last week when we dropped to the upper 40s during a week of cold rain.
The sunflowers died during that brief spell but the elephants ears grew larger and got greener.

I pruned several rose of Sharon bushes during the spring and threw the small limbs off to the side of the bed. Now I have more than twenty new starts of them. It must be the high humidity here that let's plants start so easily.

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