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Comment by Patricia on November 17, 2018 at 4:12pm

Just made my donation to California Camp Fire disaster.....anyone joining me?

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 17, 2018 at 4:10pm

Randy, I hear you! Parents can impose a cloud pf self-doubt on their children. We have to remember that we grew up in a time of very hard working parents, low income, a very widespread between rich and poor, and their parents had it even harder than they did. Criticism was the only method of training they knew; they were still a part of the Dominator Society. Our parents began the break and my and your generation have the remnants of what it means to be a parent.  

We know better now. The research is very clear about the harmful effects authoritarian parenting can be and how deadly harmful religion still is. 

What we have to do is parent ourselves in a healthy way. Give ourselves hugs and expressions of "Good job," now and then. When we catch ourselves feeling negative about ourselves we have the right and responsibility to turn that inner self-talk into positive expressions.  

When you feel negative, find a positive friend, book, story that turns it around to positive. Recognize those feelings are your friend, telling you that you need to take a look at your chatter and replace it with positive chatter.  

Your vocation, your work, your job is to define who you are to the world. No one can define you but you. So, think of your thoughts with an attitude of gratitude, be thankful as you rethink, be deliberate in turning your thoughts into pride and self-respect.  

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 17, 2018 at 12:42pm

Loam, I don't get upset with anyone else's bad memory because mine is not good.  My brother did get sick a couple of times by eating old mushrooms or questionable mushrooms.  He was a little too much of a daredevil, even though he was an expert.

But he didn't die from eating mushrooms.  He shot himself because of unrequited love.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 17, 2018 at 7:22am

I know one thing, Daniel: don't eat those mushrooms!

Speaking of which, I made a mushroom and black bean soup last night. Chicken of the woods mushroom I found several weeks ago. Really good soup, if I do say so.

And, Daniel, in regard to your comment about my comment, my great X 3 grandfather came from Germany, possibly a Schmidt Americanized into Smith. That might explain Dad's negativity. Hopefully, I've ended the "tradition".

Comment by Loam Gnome on November 16, 2018 at 9:15pm

Spud, my memory plays games with me.  For some reason, I'm thinking you lost your brother due to mushrooms? Please forgive me if I'm wrong.

It's amazing to me that fungal mycelium grows through the soil, sort of like cobwebs among the soil particles, and every now and then they send up these completely different, organized mushroom structures.  And those mycelium connect to plant roots, and interchange nutrients with plants. 

I used to buy mycorrhizal inoculum, thinking it would benefit my plants.  Now I think that was unnecessary and possibly completely futile, given the diversity and numbers of mushrooms I find around the property.  I think the main thing is to just let the existing ones grow.  But last winter I did buy morel spawn.  I didn't have the ambition to prepare the ground properly, just buried chunks of it around dying trees and some new chestnut trees.

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 16, 2018 at 12:29pm

I've always found mushrooms fascinating, but never studied them  enough to know which ones I could eat, like my brother did.  He was an expert.

Comment by Loam Gnome on November 16, 2018 at 9:51am

More mushrooms.  

Comment by Loam Gnome on November 16, 2018 at 9:51am

Joan, thanks for the info regarding leaves.  I'll be hauling another batch today.

For the most part, this year's leaf mulch goes on top of the mulch from last year, which is almost disappeared.  It did a great job suppressing weeds, and kept the ground more moist during a record hot summer.  For the area where I want to extend mulch and kill off grass, I'll leave them in place for the long term.

I wonder if they have proof about leaching mineral content?  I guess that doesnt matter forme.  My soul is high in most minerals, except calcium and magnesium.  Wood ashes and Epsom salts take care of that.

Randy, Im sorry to hear about your dad's negativity.  I know how that is too...  I thought it was a German midwest thing.  

mushrooms today.  Chilly out there but not frozen yet.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 16, 2018 at 7:33am

Well, to be fair, and, at the time of posting, I didn't realize there was a thin coating of slick ice on the roads. Hence, the school closures. Too risky, I suppose.

Yes, Joan, I taught middle school science (mostly). And I've always had somewhat of an inferiority complex. I blame my father. He never once said he was proud of me--for any thing. Plus, he was forever critical of things I did--or didn't do.

As usual, more good information from you, Joan.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 16, 2018 at 1:42am

Daniel, my understanding is that if you get a very thick layer of leaves on the grass, it will die with grass & leaves decomposing into fine soil.

The authorities for my claim are: 

"If you only cover the grass in the winter Nov-April, then remove the leaves the grass will still be alive because they don't use much energy in the winter, and they store a lot of energy. You will have to keep the grass covered for spring+summer if you plan on suppressing them. You could try daikon radish as a living mulch. They have roots that go down 6ft, so they dont have to fight with the grass root, but the daikon radish leaves will shade out the grass."

~ leaves to kill grass over Winter for Spring garden bed.


Another blog may give some information:

" Leaves are at their nutrient best shortly after they’ve fallen from the tree. Soon after that, their nutrient value begins to disappear. Leaves left on lawns or in piles over winter lose much of their mineral value to leaching. Leaves composted without shredding and not mixed with a green source of nitrogen may sit for years before decomposing. Without a source of nitrogen, leaves will not become compost but instead become leaf mold, a valuable soil addition concerning drainage and water-holding capability, but not as valuable as mineral-rich compost."

~ Leaves, easily turned into protective mulch, soil-enhancing leaf ...

From my experience, piling a very thick pile of leaves on grass will eventually kill it, turning it into friable humus, rich with earthworms.  


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