Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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Comment by Joan Denoo on December 10, 2018 at 10:22pm

There is something about a seed, it holds within its shell the power to open, grow, develop into whatever it was bred to be, and nourishes our bodies, our minds, and our spirits. Look at one Mullein seed, just one seed. It has within its power to produce hundreds of other mulleins.

Or look at an apple seed, it can produce a single tree with many more apples. 

Or any grape seed, unbelievably prolific.

That mystery is more astounding to me than any of the mysteries of any sacred text. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 10, 2018 at 8:58pm

Since Homo sapien placed steel plow into the soil, we depleted the ground that fed us. What was once fertile, productive soils now drained its nutrients. Farmer and gardeners attempt to repair the damage by putting all kind of chemical on the ground; ultimately, they poison the loam. 

Only plants can make soil! We delude ourselves into thinking Ortho, Miracle-Gro, Lilly Miller, Schultz, and Jobe's can create healthy, nutrition-rich soil. 

The things I discover that enrich my soils are nitrogen-fixing plants, i.e., green manures: legumes: annual ryegrass, Hairy vetch, sweet clover, fava beans, Lupin, millet, mustard, daikon radish, sorghum, soybeans, and cowpeas.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 10, 2018 at 6:41pm

i am organic gardening 1/8

He has several other lists and if you go to his home page, you will find them. 

I Am Organic Gardening home page.


How My Homestead & Organic Gardening SAVED my Family

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 10, 2018 at 6:12pm

home and garden users of mycorrhizae

This list may help in garden design. 

Endomycorrhizal Plants:

Ectomycorrhizal Plants:

Brassica Family:

Ericaceae Family:


Comment by Loam Gnome on December 10, 2018 at 4:48pm

Joan, is that a book?  Website?  Thanks for the info.

Ruth, regardless of longetivity, I think gardening has a gtremendous benefit on quality of life, mood, and philosophical issues, as well as a better understanding of our food and nature around us. I hope it helps us be healthy, too.  I think it must.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 10, 2018 at 4:20pm

I recommend "I Am Organic Gardening" because the author tests ideas before making suggestions for gardeners. This particular series begins with his comparisons between

1. "Wood Chips vs. Composting Garden." 

2. "Why Raised-Bed Gardening Works Faster."

3. "Why This 2-Years Later in Wood Chips Mulch."

4. "Why No-Till Gardening Works Best with Living Roots, ..."

5. "Wood Chips True Hidden Treasure Revealed."

6. "Benefits of Molasses for the Garden in No Til ..."

7. "Why N.P.K. is Not Leader in No-Till Homesteading ..."

8. "Soil pH Vs. Pine Needles. Back to Eden Gardening ..."

His soils contain high clay content; mine contain nothing but Ice Age Flood sand. Water percolates away at once in my garden and I have no experience of puddling or ponding. 

I talked to a neighbor on Saturday who lives on a high hill to the west of my garden. I expected that he lived on a basalt or granite ridge, they are common here, however, he said he lives on a gigantic sand dune. He had to drill several hundred feet to find water. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on December 10, 2018 at 3:18pm

Gardners live longer!

Gardening could be the hobby that helps you live to 100

Many of the world's centenarians share one common hobby: gardening. 

People living in these so-called “blue zones” have certain factors in common – social support networks, daily exercise habits and a plant-based diet, for starters. But they share another unexpected commonality. In each community, people are gardening well into old age – their 80s, 90s and beyond.

... an outdoor lifestyle with moderate physical activity is linked to longer life, and gardening is an easy way to accomplish both.

... there is evidence that gardeners live longer and are less stressed. A variety of studies confirm this, pointing to both the physical and mental health benefits of gardening.

Interesting story about burning bones to make them easier to compost.
Comment by Randall Smith on December 10, 2018 at 1:28pm

Whew! A lot to catch up on with me being gone for 10 days. Interesting information to digest.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 9, 2018 at 6:08pm

Daniel, I like the use of dog bones to nourish the garden by burning them and using the ashes for minerals.

At an atomic level, pondering cycles of life and imagining that some of the atoms in your flowers and fruits last resided in some cow or trees on the back woodlot before warming your sore joints by the woodstove, is close to religion.

Comment by Loam Gnome on December 9, 2018 at 3:51pm

Joan, thank you for those recipes! Those sound delicious and I will try them!

I was thinking about what to do with the beef bones after Rufus is done with them. Most people would throw them into the trash or bury them, but I like to see if things are useful. Since I do much of the heating with a wood stove, I wondered if I could mineralize the bones and spread that in the garden along with the wood ashes. It appears the answer is yes.

First, bone ash is mostly calcium and phosphorous. In my soil test, calcium was very low, and phosphorus was somewhat low. So at least in the small amounts that I use, these are needed mineral nutrients. The wood ashes are also mostly calcium, so it's kind of more of the same thing, similar to adding lime. Except wood ashes are also high in potassium and there are some other nutrients.

Here is a link to someone who wanted to use human ashes in their garden. I imagine those are mostly from bone, with the other parts going up in smoke. The problem with using some human ashes in gardening, is they might contain lead or mercury.

Bone ashes are much more brittle than the original bone. I put some bones into the woodstove. When I cleaned out the wood ashes, there were some small chunks of bone remaining, which were very brittle, like filo sheets only a little tougher than that. Most of the bone disintegrated. So I just put the intact pieces back into the woodstove for the next go-round.

At an atomic level, next year when I admire the bearded irises, or eat some figs, I'll ponder these cycles of life, and imagine that some of the atoms in those flowers and fruits, last resided in some Bessie the cow, or were trees on the back woodlot, collecting sunshine for 45 years (I counted the rings), before warming my sore joints in the woodstove. That's about the closest I come to religion.


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