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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Aug 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture Chickens Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 30. 1 Reply

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on April 15, 2015 at 8:36am

In the past, I've used quite toxic materials to get rid of ants.  It does the job for about a year, but they continue to fly in and create new colonies, so it's a never ending battle.  I've decided to quit using toxic materials, and will try Patricia's method.

Comment by k.h. ky on April 15, 2015 at 8:11am
Patricia, I'll try that. All this precipitation seems to have driven ants up the hill where I live. They are everywhere.
Comment by Idaho Spud on April 15, 2015 at 6:52am

Patricia, I've not heard of your ant killer before, but I'm going to try it.  Those critters are a pain.  I'm glad I don't have fire ants, but what I do have eat a lot of my strawberries, farm aphids on some of my fruiting plants, and get in the house where they sometimes sting me.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on April 15, 2015 at 2:15am

Patricia, your ant killer is new to me and I've printed it. Will give it a try as I have large mounds nears my front walk - Fire Ants - nasty little critters. Although what it will do to them makes me shudder.

Daniel, I've come to the decision that this year will be a test case for all my newly planted items and I'm going to let nature take its course.  I'll definitely learn which things will need intervention from me.  Since this has been the wettest Spring in several years there's a good chance some of my plants won't get pollinated.

It boggles my mind how you track each tree and plant and help it along with pollination, grafting, pruning, et al.  Info on figs and pawpaw is fascinating!  

Kathy, I don't have that many ants as they don't like the rain and seem to go underground - I do have snails by the gazillion and when I walk down my walkway after dark it is crunchy. :)  Tomorrow I'm putting out rows of diatomaceous earth in hopes of at least slowing them down. 

Comment by k.h. ky on April 14, 2015 at 11:02pm
There are ants everywhere! I usually leave them alone but the rain must have driven them to higher ground.
Does anyone know any natural remedies for them? I've been reading about coffee grounds, cream of wheat and cornmeal. The coffee grounds will probably work but I don't have enough to cover the areas involved. I've never seen so many ants! I turned a five gallon bucket right side up and ants had covered every inch beneath it!! Those were red but I don't know what kind they are.
Comment by Steph S. on April 14, 2015 at 8:51pm

Wow Daniel pollinating your own plants remind me of Gregor Mendel and his research on pea plants. His research really helped with the genetics field.

Comment by Daniel W on April 14, 2015 at 8:43pm
Barbara, The fact that I pollinate my plants shows how obsessive I am. However, for insect pollinated fruits, the chilly wet springs here can mean poor blossom set. Insects are not active in this weather. On warm dry days it's not likely to be needed. Some varieties require pollen from a different variety. In that case they need to be close together or have active insects around. So I play the insect.

Fruits that do not need a separate variety to pollinate include most peaches, nectarines, apricots, tart cherries. Most plums, apples, pears, sweet cherries, do need a separate variety. Hollywood plum is self- pollinating. A few others are too.

Some plants are really strange. Most horticultural figs do not get pollinated. A few do. Ancient figs had separate male and female trees, and a special tiny wasp that pollinated them. Some still do, but the ones we grow are mutants that do wonderfully without male figs or wasps. These mutant figs are all female, and the fruits are seedless. These mutants have been around for hundreds, maybe thousands, of years.

Pawpaws are even more weird. The flowers start female, and later the male parts mature. The female part is not receptive then. Plus, they are self sterile. So 2 varieties are needed. Plus, the flowers emit a foul smell, not sweet. So bees are not interested. Pawpaws evolved before bees, and depended on carrion flies to pollenize them. They also depended on now extinct megafauna to distribute them, which is why they have become more rare.

Not wanting to drone on. I'll save persimmons for later. Tomatoes, peppers, beans, do fine with no assistance at all. I never bother to pollenize cucumbers, but sonetimes I give squashes and melons an assist.
Comment by k.h. ky on April 14, 2015 at 5:18pm
I got two peaches off a two year old tree last year. Actually the tree may have been three years old . Kentucky grows excellent peaches and there's an orchard less than twenty miles of us. Since we eat so many l have lots of seedlings come up in, and around, the compost heaps.
Comment by Idaho Spud on April 14, 2015 at 7:25am

I'm sure Daniel knows more about it Barbara, but from growing watermelon, I've learned that they have both male and female flowers, with only the female flowers producing fruit.  The male flowers are the first to show.

I've read that squash and cucumbers are the same, but not tomato.  I'm not sure about cantaloupe.

One interesting thing that Wikipedia said is "Experiments have shown that when more pollen is applied to the stigma, as well as the fruit containing more seeds and being larger (the xenia effect mentioned above), the germination of the seeds is also faster and more likely, and the seedlings are larger.[34]"  

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 14, 2015 at 7:16am

Ouch!  Sorry Joan.  That's going to take a long time to heal.  Thanks for the information Patricia.

 

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