Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

The Broadfork Chicken MIRACLE

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Oct 8. 4 Replies

What Killed My Chicken - How To Know

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 28. 2 Replies

Polluting Yourself with Leaf Blowers

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 22. 6 Replies

Willow tree

Started by Thomas Murray. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 15. 12 Replies

Front yard gardening. Edible Estates.

Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 15. 14 Replies

Archer Strawberry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 15. 2 Replies

Deer Fence Installed! But Where's the Mulch?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Sep 6. 1 Reply

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

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Comment by Plinius on May 12, 2015 at 6:56am

Good plans, Joan, and it seems to me that you picked the right time for a move. I'm glad you have got such a wonderful family to take care of you and that you have many things to share with the young ones. I hope you won't miss your dancing house!

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 11, 2015 at 6:23pm

Patricia, I agree. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 11, 2015 at 5:44pm

Sorry, my comment includes the last paragraph directed to Larry. I tried reposting the message as I wanted it and the comment section would not accept it. So! Ignore the last paragraph. 

However, I do have a link to the greenhouse:

Geodesic Growing Dome Greenhouse

Spud, yes, I am bringing a lot of stuff from my Spokane garden to this one. Laura created a "Generation Garden" that includes plants from both of my grandmothers' gardens. Six generations, including my grandmothers' down through my great-grandchildren, has representation in it. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 11, 2015 at 5:32pm

I came to Laura's when I broke my arm and ribs on April 9 and am slowly bringing things from home. 

A day or so after coming to Laura's I developed a blocked bowel caused by hydrocodone. Laura had to help me in ways I would never ask Cary to do. She did an excellent job and after another trip to the Newport E.R., I was admitted and spent the next week in utter misery. After they had inserted the tube to empty my fecal matter through my nose, I began to feel some relief. Slowly, the broth was added to my diet, then custard. Another day to see if dry toast would pass through me, and it did. 

It is clear I am no longer able to drive because the doctors think I may have had seizures that caused the falls. I don't think so, but I put my car keys on the table and agreed not to drive until I have gone six months without a fall. 

In the meantime, I observed my daughter and her family unable to get a vegetable garden started. Because of our usually short summers, I agreed to supervise preparing soils and planting starts from the nursery and sowing some seeds for salads. My grandkids know nothing of eating from a garden and the best way to teach them is to be out there with them. My great-grandkids seem more eager to help than I expected. Jacob, the 16-year-old, has been a great help. He strung a  pipe from a hose bib to the terrace and placed a soaker hose so we could get water to the new plants. The six-year-old helped pick the vegetables he wants. 

Larry ordered a greenhouse that we can use in the winter to grow greens with the help of some lights. 

John Denver started a research project in Colorado to produce foods all year long in the cold and dark of his winters. The project collapsed when he died. Others have taken up the enterprise and designed and built "Bucky" geodome greenhouses, following Buckminster Fuller's design. 

Larry just sent me an email from the manufacturer dated today at 2:21. It is now 2:22: 

"Hi Larry, Your 18' Geodesic Growing Dome Greenhouse is scheduled to ship out on July 8th."

So, the process of moving from my home of 41 years to my new home in Larry's and Laura's progress. Cary hasn't decided where he wants to live after we sell the house. He has agreed to stay in our home until sold. Larry and Laura welcome here and suggested building a small home for him on their 17-acre property. However, he likes the city life. Wherever he chooses, we will help him get settled. 

A new era begins in my life. Even with all the recent illnesses, I feel these Golden Years as precious. 

Hi Larry,

Your 18' Growing Dome Greenhouse is scheduled to ship out on July 8th.  I have the shipping address and contact informations as follows:

Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 11, 2015 at 2:53pm

Joan, absolutely nothing makes waking up in the morning more fun than having a new garden to plan!  Walking the area with a fresh cup of coffee and dreaming and scheming ... How exciting for you. I'm not always crazy about the actual move, but since you have family to help that too should go easy.  When is the actual move going to take place? 

Comment by k.h. ky on May 11, 2015 at 2:03pm
Joan, that sounds like a wonderful plan. And you have a close and loving family to help you. I'm sure it will be difficult to give up the home you made from scratch but it seems to be time to move forward. And you have a new garden to plan. That's exciting.
I would redo almost everything about mine if I had the chance. The way it stands now I'm constantly tearing out old things and replanting or just moving them.
Live and learn!
Comment by Idaho Spud on May 11, 2015 at 12:42pm

Are you going to take some cuttings from your old place?

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 11, 2015 at 12:41pm

Joan, I hope for you the best in your move, and hope you don't get too homesick for your old place.  Are you going to transplant some plants from your old place?

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 11, 2015 at 12:29pm

It is now official, I am selling my home and car and moving to Laura's home. I have a lovely bedroom that looks to the west and north into the forest. A large clearing exists here at her home where a previous owner cleared cut a patch, I assume for some farming activity that consists of grass that they mow. 

Larry bought a greenhouse that will be installed in the late summer. Usually, killing frosts occur here late in the spring. However, this year we had no spring weather. We didn't get the usual rains and thunder storms of this area, winter turned into summer all at once. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 11, 2015 at 12:28pm

What a joy to wake up and read this string! It is the best medicine I know. 

The vegetable garden here at Laura's hasn't grown anything in several years, and a thicket of weeds reside there now. My granddaughter plans to use it this year. I advised her to cover the ground with a tarp to keep sunlight, water, and air from it. The weeds will be easier to pull up, especially if she uses the deep water tool that I loaned her. I think she will decide to plow the ground, turning the weeds into the soil. If there were no weed seeds dug into the ground. I agree the weeds themselves are mulch. So I will observe and see how plowing works. 

The soil here is sand left over from the glacial floods after the Ice Age. The property sits on a hillock and looks to me like a sand deposit left by both terminal moraine and debris of a departing glacier. Lower in the valley, the soils consist of rock as from a rushing stream. I haven't seen a geology map of this area yet, and then I can know for sure. 

At Laura's home, situated higher on the hill and deeper into the forest than Michelle's home, is pure sand. My strategy is to mulch heavily on the terraces and expand the mulching as time and energy allow. There are no deciduous trees on the property, only coniferous. Loggers took out the old growth years ago leaving behind huge stumps. The new growth contains a mixture of several kinds of conifers. Laura and her crew of hearty workers have been thinning out the weaklings trying to push up through the dense forest. Many of the mature trees show evidence of bending to reach the light. They make an interesting feature of the woods. 

The forest and shrubs have to be cut down near the buildings to provide a firebreak. I will put in natural plants from the forest to turn the bare ground into something living. Right now, the soil is all rough from cutting down trees, gathering the logs and brush into piles and I hope to use this debris in a hugelculture. The tractor makes it easy to dig the trenches, put in trees and slash and cover with soil. We need that technology here because they have no surface water, whereas the deeper valley along Spring Valley Road even has artesian wells.  


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