Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 8, 2015 at 8:44am

I opted to place my hugelkultur bed above ground simply because I didn't want to dig a trench - and made a few errors in the process. I saw one at a local display at it had a few branches sticking out of it. So when I made mine there were some visible also.  Sadly, I scavanged some branches from my neighbor's trash pile - chinaberry, texas umbrella tree - and those branches exposed are now sprouting. I keep nipping them off with pruner. 

Randall, I know I have some of those pesky critters as I can see the holes, but have never seen one. :) 

Daniel, there must be a drug to help your neighbor, lol. 

Comment by Daniel W on June 8, 2015 at 8:28am
Randy my neighbor sits outside in the evening with a shotgun, watching for moles. His lawn is pretty immaculate looking. He also mows the grass 2 or 3 times a week, and goes around with a back-pack sprayer every few days. Each to their own.

I noticed that when I use peat-pots and plant them as-is, some animal pushes several back out of the soil. If I tear out the bottom before planting, they seem to stay put.
Comment by Randall Smith on June 8, 2015 at 8:14am

I"m feeling pretty smug right now. I "caught" two moles yesterday! My $20 trap finally snagged one, and I dug one up as he tunneled in my presence. That makes 6 this year. I'm hoping there's not a 7th. I hate killing any animals, but when I see what moles do to my garden, I don't feel too bad.

We received 2" of rain last night--really, too much.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 7, 2015 at 5:51pm

Kathy, I would try both methods and observe which suits your location best. The goal is to keep water on your property for as long as you can before it goes into the sewer system or into streams. 

At my daughter's place, we didn't follow land contours because we wanted fire breaks. We dug trenches in pure sand and filled them with all the slash that they would normally burn. I was very pleased that they chose not to burn all the limbs and branches from the trees we cut down for fire protection.  

Hugelkulture, buried 

Hugelculture, above ground


Comment by k.h. ky on June 7, 2015 at 12:01pm
Hugelkultr(sp)? Since the clay soil can be both wet or dry I'm not sure whether to trench it a little or raise it. Does anyone have any suggestions??
Comment by Idaho Spud on June 7, 2015 at 12:01pm

Joan, that's interesting Fire Ant Hill art.  I feel a little sorry for them, but not much.

Comment by Daniel W on June 7, 2015 at 11:01am
Kathy those are beautiful.

I am growing seedlings of the common midwestern milkweed, Asclepius syriaca. I think they are quite elegant. Probably wont bloom until next year. Currently about 4 inches tall. I think they miss the hot humid midwest.

Joan I really hope your hydrangia survives. Scentimental plants mean a lot to me too. I have sempervivum and garlic chives from my parents yard. My dad collected ginkgo seeds for me. I planted them in flower pots when I lived in Chicago. We brought them to WA and planted in the yard in Vancouver. In 2012 we bought the Battleground WA place. I dug up the smallest and moved it here. I also started some from seeds I collected locally. Those are big enough to use as rootstock, I plan to take scion from the 30 ft tall ginkgo, graft onto the seedling stock, snd pkant that here too. The smaller one that I moved has really taken off, now about 9 foot tsll.

For what it's worth, we moved Lilac suckers and offshhots midsummer. They got lots of watering, survived and bloomed the second year.
we also moved iris midsummer. No problem, that's a good time to move them.
Comment by k.h. ky on June 7, 2015 at 10:39am
That's it Joan!
Comment by Randall Smith on June 7, 2015 at 6:55am

That was fun to watch, Joan. I wonder how many can's worth of aluminum it takes?

Comment by Plinius on June 7, 2015 at 12:24am

That's a beautiful cast of their tunnels!


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