Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Randall Smith on November 23, 2014 at 7:21am

The ground thawed out enough for me to dig up all my carrots. Talk about a mixed bag in size. Some huge, others teeny. The worms didn't get to them. I'll stick them in a bucket of sand and add them to my root cellar. Just another addition to my stash of potatoes, squash, onions, and fruit (apples and pears). If the "apocalypse" arrives, I'm all set!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 18, 2014 at 11:36am

Arid Lands Permaculture, start at 5:00 to learn about fungus and permaculture. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 17, 2014 at 9:32am

Joan, yes! same grinder in our house and used for a variety of things.

Randall, :) we were suppose to have a freeze, but my patio thermometer read 40F this a.m.  5" of snow! Nice snowmen?

Daniel, yes, I too like the re-cycling ideas. I went to local grocery and got cardboard to create walkways, but still need more. Your idea will work too. 

Comment by Randall Smith on November 17, 2014 at 8:02am

Five inches of snow has covered the garden. That's not all bad. The insolation might protect the kale, etc. from the 8 degree temps we're expected to have tonight. But I'm afeared the garden is shot for the year. Like Daniel, I'll begin planning for next spring. I like his (your) idea of reusing my dog food bags for paths and weed control.

Like B.sprouts, persimmons taste better after a freeze. And yes, the rule of thumb is, pick persimmons off the ground, not the tree. I shake the limbs. 'Possums and 'coons love them and keep the ground cleaned up. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 16, 2014 at 4:33pm

Patricia, what a wonderful roof garden, and a model for other buildings. Wish our city architects had something like that when they designed for the World's Fair in 1974. The plant lists offer some more options for my garden, too.  

Daniel, I wonder about your fig trees, and the other tender things you have been able to grow that I cannot. Your winter project may keep your mind and hands busy and you can stop and take naps with this kind of plan. 
Horseradish evokes very happy days in our home. All the aunts, uncles and cousins on my dad's side came over. We set up fans at the back of the garage pointing toward the garage door. The grinding tables were set up outside the garage so the fans blew as much air as possible away from the grinders to the outdoors. Tables held the hand grinders, you know, the old fashioned kind in those old kitchens. We had four or more grinders going. They ground into big bowls and we kids spooned the mash into sterilized jars. I can't remember if we canned them in a water bath. I know everyone involved in the project had tears running down their cheeks, men, women, children, and grandparents sitting and supervising. As I remember, we used vinegar to cover . 

Preparing a Horseradish Root

We had big potlucks with the world's bests cooks in our family. Everything was from farms and gardens in those days. Probably the only thing that was purchased was salt and coffee. 

We also used shredders 

Comment by Daniel W on November 16, 2014 at 1:46pm
There are some kitchen garden plants that are considered especially good after a freeze - Brussels sprouts, Jerusalem Artichokes, and Horseradish.

I don't have any Brussels sprouts. I dug up a Jerusalem Artichoke, and there were barely any chokes - I don't know why that is. But the Horseradish - here is what I was able to dig up.

I'm sure Joan will know what to do with it. My thought is shred and mix with mayo.

I read persimmons are better after a freeze - Randy can weigh in on that.
Comment by Idaho Spud on November 16, 2014 at 9:26am

Patricia, I like that huge green roof.  I do have one question.  Why does it have to be mowed?  To keep it from becoming a fire hazard?

Comment by Daniel W on November 16, 2014 at 8:23am

Kind of glad  we are in Winter now.  I need the rest.  And a chance to re-do some of the techniques.  Nothing is going to dry out and die in the winter.  Weeds will grow but not as fast. 

Projects -

Screened frames for 2 or 3 raised beds.  Deer/rabbit protection.  Finally got it through my thick head, protection from varmints is equal to soil, water, weeding, at this country place.  These will be simple, framework made from 2X2s, with handles to make them easy to open.

Also, simpler fencing system for some of the fruit trees, same issue.

Start a lower maintenance system for walks between raised beds - I'm thinking a layer of plastic with wood chip cover.  The plastic would be entirely re-used, from 50# dog food bags - tough plastic - and 50# chicken food bags. 

We also need a new front entrance walk.  The old one is too narrow.  It will be paving blocks on a gravel/sand bed.

Last, I want to try a different type of bee hive, and source bees from a different type.  Half of mine disappeared, after flourishing all summer, and the other half did not flourish, although they are still there.  I found a source of Russian / Carniolan hybrid bees, considered hardier, and will change hive type.  Normally I would build the hive but I am too tired, so pre-ordered and assembled one.

There is the whole winter to do those.

Patricia that green roof is a wonderful thing.  There should be thousands more of those.  Millions.  And with a beehive on top!

Randy, the up side is that should kill off a lot of bad insects?  I think?  Or is there a good side?  We had an early hard freeze, before all of the leaves abscissed - Spring will tell if that is an issue.

Fig trees next to each other.  One remained unfazed by freeze. The leaves on the other were severely affected.  Interesting difference.  They are different varieties.

To the "farm kids" - I grew up in a small town in Illinois.  Our family's farm was 20 miles out, across the Mississippi in Missouri.  During the week we lived in town, and on the weekends we were on the farm.  It wasn't required for our living, so I didn't feel too overworked.  Mostly gardening, which I loved.  I was so introverted, and other kids were so obnoxious, I was better off for the solitude.  To this day, it seems.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 16, 2014 at 7:45am

Patricia, I found it interesting. Thanks for posting. 

Comment by Randall Smith on November 13, 2014 at 7:21am

January like temperatures are to continue for the forseeable future. My so-called hardy greens aren't faring so well. Rats.


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